Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unpleasantness
Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Tue, 25 March 2008 13:24 UTC
Return-Path: <ietf-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-ietf-archive@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-ietf-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECC43A6EA8; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -100.467
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.467 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qACfxXLxevCz; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD573A6B0C; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBFA3A6865 for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5dVA2ep9HnKt for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B433A67F4 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb] ([IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m2PDM3jF016722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:22:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com)
Message-Id: <C348DC93-5811-4616-B248-21FA97402A4E@muada.com>
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
In-Reply-To: <47E8784D.206@alvestrand.no>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2)
Subject: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unpleasantness
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:22:05 +0100
References: <E4AC61D0-7DD7-4749-8A89-60A85E21075D@muada.com> <47E8784D.206@alvestrand.no>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2)
Cc: IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
On 25 mrt 2008, at 4:58, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > The WG scheduling tool has 3 lists of "groups to avoid conflicts > with", 1st, 2nd and 3rd priority. > I don't know if these are visible to anyone but the requesting WG > Chair, but they're listed on the confirmation notice from the tool; > I've made it a practice to copy them to the WG I schedule, and > modify the list according to comments. > So I'd ask: > Were the meetings you had problems with listed in each others' > conflicts list? > - If not, it's a problem at the "data input" level. > - If yes, it's a problem at the "conflicts resolutions" level. I don't know, I haven't seen these lists. Apparently the scheduling situation wasn't (much) worse for most others. In my case, I had huge overlap on monday and tuesday and then pretty much nothing of interest happened on wednesday and thursday. Although it's useful to have wg chair input on scheduling issues, I don't think that's sufficient. What we need is to see which wgs have overlapping constituencies. We actually do have this data already, in the form of the blue sheets. But obviously it's not usable in its current, analog form. So I'm offering to build an online version of the blue sheets so in the future, it will be easy to determine which wgs attract the same people and overlap can be avoided more effectively. _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Scheduling unpleasantness Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Bill Manning
- RE: Scheduling unpleasantness Eric Gray
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Jari Arkko
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Brian Dickson
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Clint Chaplin
- RE: Scheduling unpleasantness Eric Gray
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness Mark Andrews
- Re: Scheduling unpleasantness John Loughney
- Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unpleasan… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Bill Manning
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Joe Abley
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Bill Manning
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Bill Manning
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Marshall Eubanks
- RE: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Steve Silverman
- RE: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… David Harrington
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unple… Dan York