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S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 26 February 2014 10:10 UTC

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 00:34:15 -0800
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: A private club
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Hi Melinda,
At 15:32 25-02-2014, Melinda Shore wrote:
>The IETF does not have members.  This is not a minor point.

I should have written:

   the individuals will act in a professional manner when the situation
   warrants it.

I am not comfortable stating that there is consensus on an 
Internet-Draft when participation is from a small number of 
individuals having some affiliation in common.  That creates an 
appearance of a private club.

It is difficult to convince someone who is, for example, from a 
developing country that the IETF is a large open international 
community when a quick look at 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/maillist.html shows 
that there has only been participation from individuals from one or 
two countries.

It might be that the meaning of "situation" in my previous message 
was unclear.  I'll use 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg03047.html as an 
example to illustrate what I was thinking about.  One of the 
difficulties in resolving a situation is figuring out how to avoid 
the perception of a private club.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

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