Minutes interim-2019-iesg-14 2019-06-27 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-14-201906271400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the June 27, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Amanda Baber (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Jenny Bui
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the June 13, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the June 13, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the June 13, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-acme-caa-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-rlc-fec-scheme-16  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-tinymt32-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-08  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Warren Kumari and Ted Hardie to write a document on Implementation 
    Target Sets (aka Living Documents).
  o Warren Kumari, Alvaro Retana, and Mirja Kuehlewind with Spencer 
    Dawkins to continue discussion of the next Deep Dive topic for 
    IETF 105.
  o Ted Hardie to write up use cases and requirements for Implementation 
    Target Sets for a future IESG discussion (preliminary date for 
    discussion: June 20, 2019 Informal Telechat).
  o Alvaro Retana to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-manet-dlep-
    multi-hop-extension [IANA #1145105].

UPDATED:
  o INT ADs to send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be 
    checked. The list to be provided for document authors.
  o SEC ADs to send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be 
    checked. The list to be provided for document authors.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on 
    substate change for documents in AD Evaluation.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with 
    new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also).
  o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the 
    discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference 
    to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. 
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past 
    chairs).
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].
  o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF 
    Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG 
    Chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA 
    #1142796].
  o Adam Roach to facilitate the discussion on WG Meeting Structure, 
    related to alternate room layouts and the facilitation of 
    discussion.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8610 [IANA 
    #1145107].
  o Warren Kumari to draft text for an example operational use case for 
    target interoperability set, utilizing "stable" in the filename 
    string, and will circulate the text with the IESG and IAB.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
    #1146017].
  o Magnus Westerlund to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-tram-
    stunbis [IANA #1146028].

NEW:
  o Adam Roach to collate the list of specific "hot topic" items from 
    each Area that will be provided to document authors and post it on 
    the wiki.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-09  - IETF stream
    GSS-API Key Exchange with SHA2 (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 4
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper.*

  o draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bcp-06  - IETF stream
    JSON Web Token Best Current Practices (Best Current Practice) - 2 of 
    4
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Adam Roach.*

Upon approval, the Secretariat will add RFC 8017 (Informational - IETF 
stream) to the downref registry.

  o draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-12  - IETF stream
    Efficient Route Invalidation (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 4
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-lamps-pkix-shake-11  - IETF stream
    Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure: Additional Algorithm
    Identifiers for RSASSA-PSS and ECDSA using SHAKEs (Proposed
    Standard) - 4 of 4
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

The Secretariat will add RFC 8017 (Informational - IETF stream) to the 
downref registry.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-08  - IETF stream
    Enterprise Multihoming using Provider-Assigned IPv6 Addresses
    without Network Prefix Translation: Requirements and Solution
    (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-aranda-dispatch-q4s-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-aranda-dispatch-q4s
      draft-aranda-dispatch-q4s-09
      The Quality for Service Protocol (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Magnus Westerlund.

  o conflict-review-trossen-sfc-name-based-sff-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-trossen-sfc-name-based-sff
      draft-trossen-sfc-name-based-sff-07
      Name-Based Service Function Forwarder (nSFF) component within SFC
    framework (ISE: Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Martin Vigoureux.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions 
    (cbor) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The revised charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind and Adam Roach.*  

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1145105] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-
    hop-extension (Alvaro Retana, IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Stan Ratliff
(sratliff@idirect.net) and Rick Taylor (rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com) 
as the designated experts for RFC-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension.

6.2 [IANA #1145107] Designated experts for RFC 8610 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 8610 was assigned to Alexey Melnikov prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.3 [IANA #1145040] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-
    tunnel-encaps (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.

6.4 [IANA #1146017] Designated experts for RFC 7317 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 7317 was assigned to Ignas Bagdonas prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.5 [IANA #1146028] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-tram-stunbis

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-tram-stunbis was assigned to Magnus Westerlund 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.6 Listing unstructured time on the 105 agenda (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.