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[21:43:22] <Chris Griffiths> Rich Woundy and Francois Le Faucheur starting CDNI meeting
[21:43:41] <Chris Griffiths> Note Well...
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[21:44:04] <Chris Griffiths> Introductions
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[21:44:27] <Chris Griffiths> Agenda Bashing...
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[21:45:37] <Chris Griffiths> Covering Working Group Milestones
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[21:46:23] <eburger> ping
[21:47:12] <Chris Griffiths> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jenkins-cdni-problem-statement
[21:47:37] <Chris Griffiths> Ben Niven-Jenkins covering problem statement document
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[21:51:07] <yunfei> why no slides in the jabber room
[21:52:04] <Jason Livingood> See slides @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/cdni.htm
[21:52:17] <eburger> @cgriffiths: If you can just put the titles of the slides as they go by, that will help the remote people.
[21:52:26] <Chris Griffiths> sure
[21:52:36] <Chris Griffiths> Currently on Interfaces
[21:52:38] <eburger> (we can slam the chairs for allowing slides w/o page numbers ;-)
[21:52:56] <Chris Griffiths> no slide number :-)
[21:53:11] <Chris Griffiths> Next slide: Non-Goals / Out of Scope
[21:54:57] <Chris Griffiths> For those just in, we are reviewing: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jenkins-cdni-problem-statement
Ben Niven-Jenkins covering problem statement document
[21:55:11] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Focus the Problem Statement
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[21:59:28] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger at the mic
[21:59:58] <Chris Griffiths> Dave Harrington @ the mic
[22:00:29] <Chris Griffiths> Surge Manning @ the mic
[22:01:08] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger back @ the mic
[22:01:18] <Chris Griffiths> Dave Harrington back @ the mic
[22:03:54] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Non-Goals / Out of Scope
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[22:05:23] <Chris Griffiths> Spencer Dawkins @ mic
[22:05:40] <Chris Griffiths> Dave Harrington back @ mic
[22:06:34] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Progressing the Problem Statement
[22:08:13] <Chris Griffiths> For those remote in case you need it: draft-jenkins-cdni-problem-statement <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-7.pptx>
[22:08:43] <Chris Griffiths> You can find all slides on this page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html
[22:09:42] <Chris Griffiths> Any comments?
[22:10:14] <Chris Griffiths> 40 people ready for adoption in room
[22:11:04] <Chris Griffiths> anyone humming?
[22:11:12] <Chris Griffiths> on jabber :-)
[22:11:23] JavierUbillos joins the room
[22:11:45] <Chris Griffiths> Next Presentation: draft-bertrand-cdni-use-cases <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-2.pptx>
[22:11:49] <Guy Meador> Q for anyone on jabber (no need to bother the chairs): Once adoption occurs, then comments and modifications can still be made, correct?
[22:12:00] <Chris Griffiths> Gilles Bertrand
[22:12:15] <Chris Griffiths> speaking
[22:12:27] <Pierre Francois> Guy : Yes
[22:12:30] <Chris Griffiths> 1st Slide: Draft Overview
[22:13:01] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Changes since CDNI BoF (IETF#80)
[22:13:35] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Footprint Extension Use Cases
[22:15:07] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Geographic Extension: an Example
[22:15:26] Linyi Tian joins the room
[22:15:34] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Offload Use Cases
[22:16:12] Brent Van Dussen - LLNW leaves the room
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[22:16:59] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: CDN Capability Use Cases
[22:18:57] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Conclusion / Next Steps
[22:19:51] <Chris Griffiths> Around 40 people who have read this draft
[22:20:25] <Chris Griffiths> Next Presentation: draft-zhou-cdni-use-case <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-5.pptx>
[22:20:50] <Chris Griffiths> Zhipeng Zhou - Serge Manning presenting
[22:21:04] <Chris Griffiths> 1st Slide: Abstract
[22:21:20] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Cases 1, 2: CDN Service Area
[22:22:19] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Case 3: Content Adaptation
[22:23:20] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Case 4: Content Priority
[22:24:55] <Chris Griffiths> Ben Niven-Jenkins @ mic
[22:25:34] <Guy Meador> Use Case 3 for cdni would speak to requirements around policy to be conveyed as metadata
[22:25:59] <Chris Griffiths> @guy would you like this repeated over the mic?
[22:26:18] <Guy Meador> Francois has hinted that this would be addressed in his section, so I will defer until then
[22:26:24] <Chris Griffiths> ok
[22:27:20] <Chris Griffiths> Last Slide: Proposal and Next Steps
[22:28:48] <Chris Griffiths> Philip Hadly @ mic
[22:30:00] <Chris Griffiths> Kent Leung @ mic
[22:31:39] <Chris Griffiths> 30 people in the room read the draft
[22:32:32] <Chris Griffiths> Daryl Malas @ mic
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[22:33:58] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[22:34:38] <Chris Griffiths> Daryl Malas @ mi
[22:34:39] <Chris Griffiths> mic
[22:34:58] <Chris Griffiths> Ben Niven-Jenkins @ mic
[22:35:09] <Wes George> think we could have some more discussion about the discussion?
[22:36:33] <Chris Griffiths> Spencer Dawkins @ mic
[22:37:52] <Chris Griffiths> Daryl Malas @ mic
[22:39:24] <Linyi Tian> it was Linyi Tian
[22:39:49] =JeffH leaves the room: Logged out
[22:39:57] <Chris Griffiths> Linyi Tian @ mic prior
[22:40:06] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[22:41:37] <Chris Griffiths> Bruce Davie @ mic
[22:42:08] <Chris Griffiths> Daryl Malas @ mic
[22:44:22] <Chris Griffiths> Linyi Tian @ mic prior
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[22:44:49] <Linyi Tian> it was not clear to me what chair suggested.
[22:44:52] <Linyi Tian> now it is clear
[22:45:13] <Chris Griffiths> Question: Add draft-bertrand-cdni-use-cases <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bertrand-cdni-use-cases> as WG Draft
[22:45:31] <Linyi Tian> the chair should give clear statement.
[22:45:59] <Chris Griffiths> Hum on jabber...
[22:46:09] <Chris Griffiths> moving on
[22:46:23] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slides: draft-lefaucheur-cdni-requirements <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-1.pptx>
[22:46:37] <Chris Griffiths> Yiu Lee/Kent Leung presenting
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[22:47:25] <Chris Griffiths> First Slide: Notable Changes (1/3)
[22:49:02] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: RFC 2119
[22:49:11] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: New Requirements Language
[22:49:52] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Notable Changes (2/3)
[22:51:12] <Linyi Tian> i think the normative language has to complice with RFC2119. it should not be based on timeline of the WG
[22:51:22] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Notable Changes (3/3)
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[22:53:13] <Chris Griffiths> Jon Peterson @ mic
[22:53:34] <Chris Griffiths> Yiu Lee presenting now
[22:53:43] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Proposed Changes
[22:54:33] <Chris Griffiths> Wes George @ mic
[22:54:50] <Linyi Tian> i fully agree with this genterman
[22:57:56] <Chris Griffiths> Kent Leung @ mic prior
[22:58:00] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[22:58:41] <Chris Griffiths> Serge Manning @ mic
[22:58:50] <Chris Griffiths> Kent Leung @ mic
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[22:59:50] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Proposed Changes (cont)
[23:01:04] <Chris Griffiths> Ken Leung @ mic
[23:01:08] <Chris Griffiths> Serge Manning @ mic
[23:01:47] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[23:02:09] <Chris Griffiths> Jason Livingood @ mic
[23:03:10] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Open Questions
[23:06:14] <Chris Griffiths> Ken Leung @ mic
[23:06:39] <Chris Griffiths> Bruce Davie @ mic
[23:07:03] <Chris Griffiths> Linyi Tian @ mic
[23:07:34] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Next Steps
[23:07:40] <Chris Griffiths> Dave Harrington @ mic
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[23:12:30] <Chris Griffiths> 45 people read document
[23:13:25] <Chris Griffiths> Fairly strong consensus
[23:13:43] <Chris Griffiths> Next Presentation: draft-davie-cdni-framework <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-6.pptx>
[23:13:58] <Chris Griffiths> Bruce Davie Presenting
[23:14:44] <Linyi Tian> even it was adopted, it needs to be re-written. the current draft is really confusing people.
[23:15:06] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Objective of Framework
[23:16:58] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Objective of Framework (2)
[23:18:10] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Message Flow examples
[23:20:33] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Message Flow Details
[23:20:43] <Chris Griffiths> 40 people read draft
[23:21:55] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Deployment Scendarios
[23:22:31] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Trust Model and Security Issues
[23:23:58] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Next Steps (1)
[23:25:22] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Next Steps (2)
[23:26:26] <Chris Griffiths> Spencer Dawkins @ mic
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[23:28:32] <Chris Griffiths> Next Presentation: draft-stiemerling-cdni-routing-cons <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-4.pdf>
[23:28:49] <Chris Griffiths> Martin Stiemerling presenting
[23:29:09] <Chris Griffiths> Third slide: Request Routing (annotated)
[23:29:33] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Speed Matter
[23:30:15] <Chris Griffiths> Last Slide: Summary
[23:32:31] <Chris Griffiths> Josh Gagliardi @ mic
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[23:34:21] <Chris Griffiths> Francois Le Faucheur Speaking
[23:34:32] <Chris Griffiths> Open Items...
[23:35:43] <Chris Griffiths> You can find these slides in:
draft-xiaoyan-cdni-requestrouting <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-0.ppt>
[23:36:01] <Chris Griffiths> sorry, wrong link: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-3.pdf
[23:36:40] <Linyi Tian> who is speaking?
[23:36:50] <Chris Griffiths> Wes George @ mic
[23:37:16] <Chris Griffiths> Josh Kelly @ mic
[23:38:05] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[23:38:11] <Chris Griffiths> Serge Manning @ mic
[23:38:49] <Chris Griffiths> We are on page 9 of 12 in slides: chairs-slides <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/cdni-3.pdf>
[23:38:51] <Wes George> I should note in response to Josh that if the protocol /signalling is extensible enough, shifting sands/incomplete standards isn't necessarily an issue
[23:39:14] <Chris Griffiths> Ben Niven-Jenkins @ mic
[23:39:33] <Chris Griffiths> Ken Leung @ mic
[23:41:44] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Open Item 2: Differentiated Delivery
[23:42:51] <Chris Griffiths> Eric Burger @ mic
[23:43:05] <Chris Griffiths> Bruce Davie @ mic
[23:43:33] <Chris Griffiths> Ben Niven-Jenkins @ mic
[23:43:37] <Chris Griffiths> Serge Manning @ mic
[23:47:18] <Chris Griffiths> Next Slide: Open Item 3: DECE/Ultra-Violet
[23:47:31] <Chris Griffiths> EOF
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