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Dave Thaler has set the subject to: DNSSD WG at IETF 91
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[16:50:01] <timc> /topic DNSSD WG at IETF 92
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[17:54:10] <timc> 92 :)
[17:54:58] Dave Thaler has set the subject to: DNSSD WG at IETF 92
[17:55:46] <Tim Chown> hmm can't hear ralph on meetecho, yet
[17:56:24] <Dave Thaler> ack, problem report relayed
[17:56:37] <Hosnieh Rafiee> I also can't hear anyone
[17:56:50] <Hosnieh Rafiee> :-) not sure I have to hear or not.. anyone talks?
[17:57:00] <Dave Thaler> nothing to hear right at the moment, but meetecho folks working on it
[17:57:17] <Hosnieh Rafiee> thanks Dave
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[18:00:02] <timc> i can't hear via meetecho, switching to stream i guess
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[18:00:31] <Dave Thaler> nothing to hear yet
[18:00:39] <Hosnieh Rafiee> can you please share streaming link
[18:00:52] <timc> its on ietf page, under remote particpation
[18:00:57] <Dan York 2> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/92/remote-participation.html
[18:01:04] <timc> http://ietf92streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf924.m3u
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[18:01:23] <Dan York 2> DNSSD is in International Room
[18:01:36] <Dave Thaler> testing aiudio
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[18:01:55] <Hosnieh Rafiee> thanks :)
[18:02:04] <timc> i could hear the meetecho guys in their test 10 mins ago.
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[18:03:57] <timc> i am now listening via regular stream
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[18:04:15] <timc> if the jabber relay can poke you when needed that should be fine :)
[18:04:20] <Hosnieh Rafiee> when you run play tim you should able to hear
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[18:04:41] <Hosnieh Rafiee> yes I also did the same because I cannot click on play now (I am not presenter now :-) )
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[18:06:01] <timc> no joy on meetecho, i guess without presenter status i'll just listen in (i can see the video of ralph just fine) and relay comments here if needed
[18:06:10] <Suzanne (scribe)> Hi Tim!
[18:06:10] <jfesler@gigo.com> audio was busted during 6man as well
[18:06:32] <timc> ah
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[18:09:29] <timc> a very good summary :)
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[18:10:28] <Suzanne (scribe)> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnssd-0.pdf (Ralph on behalf of Andrew)
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[18:11:36] <Hosnieh Rafiee> maybe just has a reference to DNS terminology
[18:12:04] <Suzanne (scribe)> Stuart Cheshire at the mic
[18:12:28] <John Klensin> I've got no Meetecho audio (on any of the feeds) at all.  The separate m3u audio seems to be working, although (naturally) with lag
[18:12:41] <Suzanne (scribe)> Doug Otis
[18:12:48] <Hosnieh Rafiee> John, use the steaming audio
[18:12:58] <Hosnieh Rafiee> I also don't have audio on meetecho
[18:13:03] <Meetecho> John Klensin: working on that
[18:13:18] <John Klensin> @Hosnieh: that is what I'm doing.  Thanks.
[18:13:25] <timc> ok great
[18:13:27] <Hosnieh Rafiee> (Y)
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[18:15:09] <Suzanne (scribe)> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnssd-1.pdf, Tom presenting
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[18:18:04] <timc> are there multiple camera views in meetecho? ralph mentioned the square tom's stood in, but i just see ralph...
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[18:24:56] <timc> anyone else lost the remote audio stream?
[18:25:04] <Andrew Yourtchenko> timc: me.
[18:25:35] <John Klensin> Just one, as far as I can tell.  Speakers standing in square is good, but someone needs to point the camera at the square.
[18:25:38] <timc> ok. there's a big army of gremlins in dallas :P
[18:26:14] <John Klensin> And  the main audio feed is cutting in and out here too.
[18:26:37] <timc> i mean the main audio, not meetecho
[18:27:02] <timc> and ack on camera pointing. handy to see ralph though
[18:27:41] <Hosnieh Rafiee> I nolonger have audio
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[18:27:53] <timc> i think a bunch of us lost the regular audio
[18:27:56] <Hosnieh Rafiee> even in streaming.... i receive error
[18:28:00] <timc> yeah
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[18:28:15] <timc> and ralph isnt high res enough to lipread...
[18:28:21] <Hosnieh Rafiee> so whenever it is my turn please just ping me here in chat, as I canot hear anything :D
[18:28:32] <John Klensin> @hosnieh: I've had to restart it several times and then fast forward to get the current part, not the start of  the feed.
[18:28:58] <John Klensin> Getting audio now, but don't know how long it will last.
[18:29:15] <Suzanne (scribe)> Bernie Volz at the mic
[18:29:20] <Meetecho> Hosnieh Rafiee: did you use the link with the epin to join?
[18:29:53] <timc> i'm using http://ietf92streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf924.m3u for regular audio
[18:29:53] <Hosnieh Rafiee> yes
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[18:30:01] <Hosnieh Rafiee> I can try to re-join again
[18:30:04] <Hosnieh Rafiee> brb
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[18:30:09] <timc> i have no meetecho audio since the start, though i heard the test 10 mins before
[18:30:37] <Meetecho> fixing this as we type
[18:30:39] <John Klensin> Nt oribken us that I keep rejoining at that link at it keeps sending me about to the first few minutes of the session.  So I'm now on 30 minute lag.
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[18:31:11] <Hosnieh Rafiee> still nothing :|
[18:31:25] <Meetecho> yep still fixing the audio sorry
[18:31:51] <Hosnieh Rafiee> so please just ping me when it is my turn.. :-) thanks
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[18:32:56] <Suzanne (scribe)> did not catch this speaker's nameā€¦.sorry :(
[18:33:10] <Suzanne (scribe)> Stuart Cheshire
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[18:36:06] <Suzanne (scribe)> Stuart Cheshire
[18:36:29] <jfesler@gigo.com> "you are now unmuted"
[18:36:46] <Hosnieh Rafiee> who is unmuted?
[18:36:49] <jfesler@gigo.com> the room
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[18:36:57] <Suzanne (scribe)> the meeting room, we hope :)
[18:36:57] <Hosnieh Rafiee> Yes... I can also hear...
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[18:37:10] <John Klensin> FWIW, the non-Meetecho MP3 audio has become useless.  Every time my player managed to catch up, it drains that stream and reconnecting starts over.  Good if reviewing audio in a week or two, totally useless as a live feed
[18:37:21] <serrhini mohammed> I (Y)
[18:37:24] <Hosnieh Rafiee> yes.. John, I had that perlblem for some momemnts
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[18:37:32] <Hosnieh Rafiee> but now meetecho audio works again
[18:37:33] <Hosnieh Rafiee> :-)
[18:37:37] <Markus Stenberg> does meetecho work better now? there was some 'you are now unmuted' in the room
[18:37:38] <John Klensin> Ah.  Meetecho audio is now working... apparently :-)
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[18:37:55] <Meetecho> John Klensin: the streaming laptops had connectivity issues
[18:38:03] <Meetecho> we've fixed them now
[18:38:17] <serrhini mohammed> audio (Y)
[18:38:34] <timc> not back here yet
[18:39:24] <timc> aha
[18:39:26] <timc> :)
[18:39:29] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn, Stuart Cheshire
[18:39:55] <timc> and now meetech sound is on too
[18:41:58] <Suzanne (scribe)> hum on adopting this draft
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[18:42:06] <timc> ah was about to ask that question.. so should we get dnsop or other review?  
[18:44:34] <Suzanne (scribe)> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnssd-3.pdf
[18:45:57] <Suzanne (scribe)> Dave Thaler at the mic
[18:46:30] <Suzanne (scribe)> Markus Stenberg
[18:46:56] <Dave Thaler> I did keyword searches in the doc and I can't find where that phrase is covered in the doc, if it is.
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[18:47:22] <timc> and we've talked about different types of scope, including geographic, rather than network oriented
[18:47:30] <Dave Thaler> exactly
[18:47:44] <timc> this was point 2 of your Things To Standardise list Dave.
[18:47:58] <Dave Thaler> do you need a mic relay tim?  (yes it was point 2 on my list)
[18:48:22] <timc> you might want to say its somethign we agreed in London a year ago that we needed.
[18:48:34] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn
[18:48:42] <Dave Thaler> mic ack
[18:48:46] <timc> Service discovery zone enumeration
[18:48:59] <Suzanne (scribe)> Doug Otis
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[18:49:50] <timc> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-dnssd-12.pdf page 4
[18:49:55] <Dave Thaler> tim is next in line after doug speaking
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[18:50:28] <Michael Richardson> how does giving a printer a pretty name, if it's IPv6 connected, make it less secure, than using the [2001:...] "name"?
[18:50:45] <Michael Richardson> (neither are "discoverable", but both are announceable)
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[18:51:01] <timc> thanks :)
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[18:52:06] <timc> well, and point 4 from Dave's Things To Standardise was suggesting DHCP address registration as one example of something that could do that
[18:52:26] <timc> but then dhcpv6 isnt exactly universally available
[18:53:02] <Suzanne (scribe)> Tom Pusateri at the mic
[18:53:07] <Dave Thaler> prefix comment with mic: if you want a mic relay
[18:53:22] <timc> ok
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[18:54:07] <timc> will take that point to the list
[18:54:26] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn at the mic
[18:55:21] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry on Req 4
[18:56:46] <timc> mic: on req9 we had a draft on efficiency - ie where to filter - we may wish to come back to that
[18:57:03] <Suzanne (scribe)> Bill Manning at the mic
[18:57:21] <timc> mic: draft-aggarwal-dnssd-optimize-query-00
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[19:00:08] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry
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[19:01:10] <timc> mic: but at the same time we have a requirement for timely information  - which implies low/minimal caching
[19:01:26] <timc> mic: and I agree with Stuart too :)
[19:01:46] <Suzanne (scribe)> mic ack
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[19:02:09] <Suzanne (scribe)> (Dave is there waiting your turn)
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[19:03:30] <timc> PONY!
[19:03:48] <ajsaf@jabber.org> @timc: With laser eyes?
[19:04:02] <timc> :)
[19:04:05] <Suzanne (scribe)> @timc: sparkly, too
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[19:07:05] <Suzanne (scribe)> REQ 15
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[19:08:43] <Dave Thaler> since it's not on the slide, the doc has: REQ15: The administrator of an advertised service should be able to control whether the service is advertised beyond the local link.
[19:09:12] <timc> Also that req was added between -05 and -06, as kerry explained.
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[19:09:34] <Suzanne (scribe)> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnssd-4.pdf
[19:09:59] <timc> thats the mother of all diagrams :)
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[19:10:36] <Suzanne (scribe)> draft-ietf-homenet-hybrid-proxy-zeroconf-00 <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-homenet-hybrid-proxy-zeroconf-00.txt>
  
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[19:16:10] <Suzanne (scribe)> Tom Pusateri commenting
[19:16:40] <Suzanne (scribe)> slide 7
[19:21:28] <Hosnieh Rafiee> now the camera is in a god position :-)
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[19:21:42] <timc> markus is a god?
[19:21:54] <Hosnieh Rafiee> at least I can see the presenter :-) but a bit late
[19:21:56] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn at the mic
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[19:25:03] <Hosnieh Rafiee> @tim: just got it... god -> good
[19:25:55] <Suzanne (scribe)> Stuart Cheshire
[19:26:44] <timc> mic: can we have info on who has running code for which parts of hybrid proxy?
[19:27:03] <Suzanne (scribe)> mic ack
[19:27:33] <timc> mic: there is a dependency on dns push for hybrid proxy too i think (question)
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[19:28:41] <Suzanne (scribe)> mic ack, there's a short line, but I'll get you in :)
[19:30:13] <timc> mic: i think answr to hybrid proxy readiness depends on a) whether there is any other solution being proposed (and we want to have just one solution - it seems not), b) whether we need to wait for dns push issues to be resolved, as hybrid proxy uses that, c) whether it meets requirements (coupled with mDNS in general - it seems to) and d) whether there are any open concerns from Hosnieh's threat analysis
[19:30:46] <timc> is that Tom saying he has an implementation?
[19:30:47] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn
[19:30:53] <timc> ah kerry
[19:31:07] <Suzanne (scribe)> sorry, yes it's Tom and that does sound like what he said
[19:31:18] <timc> ok thx
[19:32:04] <timc> thanks Stuart - that's what we need to know
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[19:36:02] <timc> mic: i think that's a good summary Ralph, and subject to wg consensus we could progress hybrid proxy as the preferred 'framework'.
[19:36:18] <Suzanne (scribe)> mic ack
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[19:37:00] <timc> mic: perhaps framework is the right word here
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[19:39:15] <Hosnieh Rafiee> hummmmm
[19:39:35] <Markus Stenberg> Rafiee: you're up next if it works
[19:39:46] <timc> great
[19:40:38] <Suzanne (scribe)> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnssd-5.pdf
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[19:42:44] <Suzanne (scribe)> up to slide 4
[19:43:25] <doug.otis> @Hosnieh unique local address and not universal local address.
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[19:46:18] <Suzanne (scribe)> slide 6
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[19:49:25] <Suzanne (scribe)> slide 9
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[19:52:45] <Suzanne (scribe)> Kerry Lynn, now Stuart Cheshire
[19:52:57] <timc> mic: i'd like to echo kerry's comment, that would be very useful.  i think ralph and i can guide hosnieh on dnssd focus in future versions.
[19:54:15] <Suzanne (scribe)> mic ack
[19:54:43] <timc> mic: i think the focus should be on specific issues around the hybrid proxy architecture.
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[19:56:53] <timc> gosh, ran to time rather well
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[19:57:41] <Victor Kuarsingh> thanks
[19:57:41] <timc> where's my cookies?
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[19:57:52] <Hosnieh Rafiee> you mean real cookie
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[19:57:58] <Suzanne (scribe)> It's a wrap :) Tim, we will save you some but you have to come to IETF 93 to get them
[19:58:05] <timc> i always accept cookies
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[19:58:20] <timc> i'll be there - thanks for relaying :)
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[19:58:29] <timc> and to dave
[19:58:48] <Hosnieh Rafiee> thank you meetecho team and also Suzanne
[19:58:58] <Hosnieh Rafiee> bye
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