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Tuesday, November 14, 2017< ^ >
adrianfarrel has set the subject to: DOTS Meeting - IETF 97
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[05:33:20] <Jeferson Nobre> agenda bash by chair
[05:33:33] <Jeferson Nobre> wiki
[05:33:45] <Jeferson Nobre> current milestones
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[05:34:49] <Roland Dobbins> Working now.
[05:36:49] <Jon Shallow> I think that there is a general remote issue - if the video camera could remain onthe slide that would help as there is no main screen output
[05:37:01] <Roland Dobbins> Move on to Andrew.
[05:37:54] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-ietf-dots-requirements-07
[05:38:16] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 1
[05:38:51] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 3
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[05:40:52] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 4
[05:42:35] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 5
[05:42:37] <Jeferson Nobre> questions
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[05:44:55] <Jon Shallow> I had raised my hand - but failed to get through.  What about ACL selection
[05:45:18] <Roland Dobbins> ACE ordering is likely outside the scope of Dots.
[05:45:36] <Jon Shallow> Except it has to be in protocol somewhere
[05:45:41] <Roland Dobbins> It's an orchestration issue.
[05:45:55] <Roland Dobbins> We can talk more about it.
[05:46:16] <Roland Dobbins> I will rejoin.
[05:46:17] <Jon Shallow> I am talking about ACL selection - select ACL A or ACL B when going for mitigation
[05:46:48] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-ietf-dots-architecture-05
[05:47:09] <Jeferson Nobre> Sorry Jon, I only see your comment now
[05:47:26] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 2
[05:47:57] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 3
[05:48:51] <Roland Dobbins> Jon Shallow - the problem is that it's highly situationally-dependent.
[05:49:03] <Roland Dobbins> Jon Shallow - we should talk more about this.
[05:49:13] <Jon Shallow> Agreed - sure
[05:49:23] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 4
[05:49:35] <Roland Dobbins> I actually don't think ACLs/ACEs should be transmitted via DOTS at all.
[05:49:42] <Roland Dobbins> That's the job of flowspec.
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[05:49:48] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 5
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[05:50:24] <Roland Dobbins> Yes.
[05:50:34] <Roland Dobbins> Yes.
[05:50:42] <Roland Dobbins> Yes.
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[05:53:44] <Roland Dobbins> I have.
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[05:54:28] <Roland Dobbins> We need this architecture document.
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[05:56:07] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-08
[05:56:10] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 1
[05:56:15] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 2
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[06:01:59] <Jeferson Nobre> Hackathon activity report
[06:03:17] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 3
[06:04:09] <Roland Dobbins> Applause
[06:04:10] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 5
[06:04:19] <Jeferson Nobre> :)
[06:07:33] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 6
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[06:10:48] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 9
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[06:11:27] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 10
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[06:13:47] <meetecho> looking into this
[06:14:20] <Jeferson Nobre> questions?
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[06:15:08] <meetecho> looked like a hiccup, rejoining should fix it if the streams didn't get back up
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[06:15:41] <Yoshiro Yoneya> I was at Mic
[06:15:51] <Yoshiro Yoneya> sorry for not mentioned my name.
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[06:22:29] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-07
[06:23:14] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 1
[06:23:30] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 2
[06:23:37] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 3
[06:24:11] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 4
[06:25:15] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 5
[06:27:21] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 6
[06:29:43] <Roland Dobbins> I agree - no concerns.
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[06:31:18] <Roland Dobbins> I don't know if we should support ACLs.
[06:33:06] <Jon Shallow> My assumption was that it was ona per DOTS client basis
[06:35:16] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-07
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[06:38:03] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 11
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[06:41:48] <Andrew Mortensen> same
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[06:43:44] <meetecho> should be back now
[06:44:12] <Roland Dobbins> Yes.
[06:44:54] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 13
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[06:49:06] <Roland Dobbins> I can still see/hear, FWIW.
[06:49:20] <Andrew Mortensen> hm
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[06:53:01] <Roland Dobbins> I have.
[06:53:13] <Roland Dobbins> I read it.
[07:01:46] <Roland Dobbins> OK.
[07:04:28] <Roland Dobbins> I can re-read it. ;>
[07:05:10] <Jeferson Nobre> draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-03
[07:05:17] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 1
[07:10:27] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 5
[07:11:07] <Roland Dobbins> I strongly disagree that all DOTS clients should support all four, and also note that reliance on DNS in a DDoS context is unwise.
[07:13:33] <Jeferson Nobre> Roland, are you going to speak or I should proxy?
[07:13:48] <Roland Dobbins> I'll speak, thanks!
[07:14:00] <Jeferson Nobre> ok, jus ask :)
[07:14:06] <Jeferson Nobre> *just
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[07:17:36] <Jeferson Nobre> slide 6
[07:19:13] <Roland Dobbins> I read it, and can re-read it.  ;>
[07:20:14] <Jeferson Nobre> Closing
[07:21:45] <Roland Dobbins> Vendors prefer to wait until standards are adopted, generally speaking.
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[07:24:44] <Roland Dobbins> Agreed.
[07:25:22] <Roland Dobbins> Andrew, any comments?
[07:27:18] <Roland Dobbins> Agree with Tobias.
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