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[13:08:28] <resnick> I'll try to scribe even though I've got no clue about the topic.
[13:09:19] <resnick> ekr: so you've got a stupid device (like 802.11 in a public place)
[13:09:44] <resnick> ekr: try to address the simple cases.
[13:11:25] <resnick> (at mike?): Sounds like EAP. Why not take some of their work?
[13:11:44] <resnick> paul: That's too weighty.
[13:12:35] <resnick> paul: we're trying to just do "who are you?" and "what are the capabilities?"
[13:13:06] <resnick> Proposed charter at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/03nov/enroll.txt
[13:13:54] <resnick> kumar: use cases not clear. there are other groups. please explain use cases, devices....
[13:14:09] <resnick> ekr: canonical case is laptop at airport with 802.11
[13:14:51] <resnick> ekr: Now you get redirected, pay, and then your MAC is mapped. Not good confidentiality or security.
[13:15:02] <resnick> ekr: Instead, use a shared key.
[13:15:29] <resnick> paul: it's initial keying information; it doesn't go any further.
[13:16:04] <resnick> jim: originally thought this was model for other folks, not protocol.
[13:16:19] <resnick> jim: shouldn't get hung up on use cases.
[13:17:25] <resnick> jim: last line of charter: credit card number ain't the key
[13:17:58] <resnick> (at mic?): only focuses on initial credential
[13:18:13] <resnick> paul: #3 in charter is purposely vague.
[13:19:40] <resnick> ekr: expected output is keying material as input to a later process
[13:20:40] <resnick> (mic?): it's an authorization problem; credit card can give you authorization
[13:20:47] <resnick> paul: Also identifier
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[13:22:33] <resnick> joe: charter worries: "identity" refers to other stuff
[13:23:08] <resnick> joe: In #2, not clear that you want to say identity; maybe credit card auth or something else
[13:23:52] <resnick> steve: #1 is right. #2 should be keying information for "continuous authorization"
[13:24:15] <resnick> steve: tweak wording
[13:24:44] <resnick> david black: Another possible use case: distributed software install
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[13:27:14] <resnick> (at mic?): Could phone ESN be an id for this kind of thing?
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[13:27:33] <resnick> (at mic?): where is this useful
[13:27:50] <resnick> ekr: 802.11 (public & home)
[13:28:26] <resnick> mike sj: How much human interaction here?
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[13:40:39] <resnick> They're now trying to decide whether this work should go forward....
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