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[12:22:41] <ldondeti> and I forgot to say my name earlier ...
[12:22:48] <ldondeti> that was Lakshminath on the mike if you are not in the room
[12:22:52] <ldondeti> :)
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[12:24:24] <ldondeti> hi Vidya
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[12:33:44] <vidya> the audio is really low.. is there anything that can be done in the room to improve that?
[12:34:08] <ldondeti> I will ask Russ to speak into the mike
[12:34:14] <vidya> thanks
[12:34:31] <vidya> also, are there slides?
[12:34:47] <vidya> yes, thanks
[12:34:58] <ldondeti> idk
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[12:39:52] <vidya> the presenter's mic seems to be very low to the point that it isn't audible.. the questions are more audible
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[12:40:16] <ldondeti> yeah, Russ adjusted the mike
[12:40:32] <ldondeti> but it may be mike-location problem
[12:40:43] <vidya> ok..
[12:41:10] <vidya> who's at the mic?
[12:41:27] <ldondeti> Bernard
[12:43:55] <vidya> perhaps the presenter can use the mic that Glen spoke into - that seems much more audible
[12:49:42] <vidya> can someone scribe what Russ is saying?
[12:50:19] <ldondeti> Russ was saying we spent 4+ years to get to 4962
[12:50:46] <vidya> yeah, and it is unreasonable that we need to spend more time to rewrite it before progressing HOKEY work
[12:51:20] <hartmans@jis.mit.edu/owl> It's far more unreasonable to progress things without actually having an informed ietf consensus. The mess gets larger and harder to clean up
[12:52:01] <vidya> I think there is an informed rough consensus in this group - there isn't complete consensus, but, we work on rough consensus
[12:52:26] <vidya> and, we can work for years and it will just be an academic exercise while the rest of the world moves on
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[12:54:07] <hartmans@jis.mit.edu/owl> I will not comment on consensus of a group until chairs make their ruling
[12:55:24] <vidya> I concur with Bernard
[12:58:06] <vidya> I'd really appreciate a scribe for Russ's words from someone..
[12:58:29] <ldondeti> I am standing in line ...
[12:58:32] <ldondeti> hard to type :)
[12:58:44] <vidya> ok, no problem
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[13:05:24] <ldondeti> if someone was trying to enter and masquerade as another provider, there are surprises in billing
[13:05:29] <ldondeti> That was Russ
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