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kivinen has set the subject to: IPsecME Meeting at IETF 104, Prague Thursday 2019-03-28 10:50-12:20
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[19:23:51] synp has set the subject to: IPsecME Meeting at IETF 105 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-ipsecme-00
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[19:25:38] <synp> I am your Jabber scribe.  If you want something relayed to the room mic, please prefix it with "mic:"
[19:25:51] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-chair-slides-01
[19:26:01] <synp> Paul Wouters
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[19:30:02] <mcr> https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-105-ipsecme?useMonospaceFont=true
[19:30:03] <synp> Stanislav
[19:30:05] <mcr> which version of iOS?
[19:30:09] <synp> 13
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[19:31:49] <synp> Valery Smyslov
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[19:32:29] <synp> Stanislav
[19:33:38] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-ike-intermediate-exchange-update-00
[19:33:48] <synp> Valery Smyslov presenting
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[19:35:00] <Benedict Wong> thanks!
[19:35:24] <synp> Yay! slide numbers!
[19:35:24] <synp> Paul Wouters
[19:35:41] <synp> And we're in slide #3
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[19:42:10] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-labeled-ipsec-00 (Paul Wouters)
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[19:44:54] <synp> Valery at the mic
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[19:47:44] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-group-key-management-using-ikev2-00
[19:47:50] <synp> Valery again
[19:51:42] <synp> Version -00 was from September 2010
[19:52:13] <synp> Scott Fluhrer
[19:52:21] <synp> Slide #5
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[19:59:33] <synp> MCR
[20:00:21] <Tobias Heider> We are
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[20:02:05] <synp> mic?
[20:02:25] <synp> Reminder: I am your Jabber scribe.  If you want something relayed to the room mic, please prefix it with "mic:"
[20:02:36] <synp> Question was for Tobias
[20:03:08] <Tobias Heider> i think it's fine
[20:03:13] <mcr> Tobias! Wonderful to hear you are still alive... So you need to have U of Munchen host a G-IKEv2 interop bakeoff.....
[20:03:49] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-quantum-resistant-ikev2-update-00
[20:03:55] <synp> (Still Valery)
[20:04:14] <Tobias Heider> right, we have tested against an older cisco (i think) implementation actually
[20:04:41] <mcr> are the cisco people still alive then?
[20:04:42] <Tobias Heider> there is also a strongswan and a riot poc implementation which are compatible
[20:04:53] <Tobias Heider> not sure
[20:11:10] <synp> I like how "nonces" sounds like "nonsense"
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[20:11:36] <mcr> ssshhhh. That's classified information.
[20:11:36] <synp> Scott Fluhrer
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[20:11:59] <synp> Tero (from the room mic)
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[20:13:30] <Tobias Heider> mic: +1 on what Tero is saying, exchange IDs are cheap
[20:13:47] <synp> Paul Wouters
[20:13:50] <synp> (in the line)
[20:14:42] <Tobias Heider> ^reusing exchanges makes parsing hard and makes it more error prone which should be avoided
[20:15:08] <Tobias Heider> thanks!
[20:15:25] <synp> It's why they pay us jabber scribes the big bucks
[20:15:47] <synp> That and for saying that it's MCR at the mic
[20:18:20] <Tobias Heider> mic: We at LMU Munich are actually working on a formal verification model to make sure the state machine is working
[20:18:23] <synp> Ben Kaduk (AD)
[20:18:40] <synp> Tero
[20:19:42] <synp> (crickets)
[20:20:13] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-ip-traffic-flow-security-00
[20:20:20] <synp> Christian Hopps presenting
[20:21:45] <synp> Slide #4
[20:22:25] <Tobias Heider> mcr (not mic this time): but you're right that the PQKE draft needs as much testing as we can get, it's quite intrusive
[20:23:51] <synp> Slide #6
[20:24:51] <synp> Slide #7
[20:26:20] <synp> #8
[20:26:25] <synp> #9
[20:27:12] <synp> MCR
[20:27:21] <synp> Sorry.  David Black
[20:27:45] <mcr> (I am involved in an IX where everyone is named Mike)
[20:28:28] <synp> Valery Smyslov
[20:30:37] <synp> Paul Wouters
[20:31:25] <synp> Alejandra y Roberto or Alice and Bob? - https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~cwright/voip-vbr.pdf
[20:31:44] <synp> Not IPsec, but still...
[20:34:58] <synp> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-ipsecme-ikev2-optional-sats-payloads-in-child-exchange-04
[20:35:10] <synp> Wei Pan presenting
[20:39:54] <synp> Scott Fluhrer
[20:40:42] <synp> MCR at the mic, ready to pounce
[20:42:17] <synp> MCR now
[20:42:54] <synp> Scott Fluhrer
[20:43:13] <Bharath Meduri> For ACL CHange Kill all and create new. but for crypto just allow after reky
[20:45:07] <synp> That's Paul Wouters
[20:45:11] <synp> and now Valery
[20:46:32] <synp> Tero (from the floor)
[20:52:04] <synp> There are a lot of opportunities to simplify
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