Thursday, April 7, 2016< ^ > has set the subject to: KITTEN WG | | NOTE WELL:
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[19:20:20] <metricamerica> Please remember to preface comments to be relayed with "mic:" - thanks!
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[19:26:08] <nico> hi
[19:26:24] <Rick van Rein> hey nico
[19:26:29] <nico> hey
[19:27:29] <nico> is there meetecho for KITTEN today?
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[19:27:42] <Meetecho> nico: yes
[19:27:54] <nico> thanks
[19:27:59] <nico> what's the URI for it?
[19:28:09] <Rick van Rein>
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[19:28:28] <nico> thx
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[19:30:48] <Rick van Rein> yes it is
[19:31:03] <nico> hmmm, not getting audio
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[19:31:56] <Rick van Rein> I am excited indeed :)
[19:31:56] <michiel> I am
[19:33:43] <nico> I'm not getting audio on meetecho, but I am with streaming
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[19:35:16] <nico> oh, no, I get audio with meetecho; bigger delay; so i'll stick with streaming for now
[19:35:18] <ghudson> I am most interested in spake-preauth of all the things mentioned.  des-des-des-die-die-die seems worth doing and not too hard.
[19:35:23] <Rick van Rein> exciting: spake
[19:35:34] <metricamerica> greg - to the mic?
[19:35:54] <ghudson> It's enough if the chairs see it on Jabber, I think.
[19:35:55] <Meetecho> nico: webrtc audio should be realtime, actually (unless you're listening to the opus or mp3 stream?)
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[19:37:49] <michiel> How many people are typically needed to review?
[19:38:05] <nico> it helps to have at least three
[19:39:02] <michiel> Maybe the submitters of the new topics want to help clean the queue?
[19:39:12] <Rick van Rein> fwiw, I am in a project that actively works towards realm xover / dnstxt / tls-kdh
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[19:39:20] <ghudson> I have been reviewing WGLCs (except for saml-ec) as they come up.
[19:39:23] <Rick van Rein> I suppose I will move on with those
[19:39:32] <nico> I see no slides, fyi
[19:39:55] <michiel> Enlightened self-interest ;)
[19:39:57] <> And we thank you for that, Greg.
[19:40:00] <Scott Cantor> I can at least prod the people that were working with saml-ec to come to the list, but I don't know if that serves as a help to review.
[19:40:02] <ghudson> nico: if you see a button labeled "presentation," click it.
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[19:40:32] <ghudson> I am happy to de-prioritize IAKERB.
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[19:41:27] <ghudson> Microsoft is hoping for a pa-data number assignment for PKINIT freshness ASAP so they can ship an implementation, I think.
[19:42:11] <Rick van Rein> number assignment can be lighter than a doc publication?
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[19:42:42] <Rick van Rein> pa-data is not IANA
[19:43:25] <ghudson> I'm not sure that's right, checking...
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[19:44:10] <ghudson> mic: RFC 6113 put pa-data into IANA.
[19:44:18] <Rick van Rein> I said from my heart, so must be wrong
[19:44:22] <Rick van Rein> sry
[19:44:47] <Rick van Rein> yes,
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[19:45:50] <Rick van Rein> in general, if one needs “numbers” but the WG is incapable to move, is there something an author can do?
[19:46:36] <metricamerica> stephen answering
[19:46:46] <nico> @Rick: I sent comments on your _kerberos TXT RR I-D
[19:46:54] <nico> (last night, to the ISE)
[19:47:40] <michiel> Sounds very pragmatic.
[19:47:50] <Scott Cantor> +1
[19:51:04] <Rick van Rein> pkcross (though I might continue with my TGS approach)
[19:51:27] <Rick van Rein> which is more concrete but otherwise the same as Nico's
[19:51:53] <nico> yes, I would like PKCROSS too, but first I want multi-round-trip GSS mech
[19:52:31] <> multi-round-trip being your krb5-extra-rt draft?
[19:52:36] <nico> y
[19:52:40] <> nico: you want multi-round-trip more than spake-preauth?
[19:52:45] <nico> hmmm
[19:52:55] <nico> no, I guess I want the SPAKE I-D more
[19:53:00] <Rick van Rein> me too
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[19:53:34] <nico> mind you, with FAST we can do w/o SPAKE, but it's best to have it'
[19:53:45] <Rick van Rein> what is the "wiki experiment" by the way?
[19:54:00] <nico> gerrithub!
[19:54:21] <Rick van Rein> FAST reveals weak pwd, doesn't it?
[19:54:25] <> "wiki experiment" is just having a place where people can record that
they've reviewed a draft, and once a few of those are received, it
gets prioritized or kicked up to the IESG
[19:54:28] <Rick van Rein> so SPAKE still adds value there?
[19:54:34] <nico> rick: no, FAST does not, but it requires other things
[19:54:45] <Rick van Rein> tx benjamin
[19:54:47] <nico> SPAKE requires nothing else, which is why SPAKE helps
[19:54:59] <Nico Williams> gerrithub might work well for I-D reviews
[19:55:10] <Nico Williams> I've not really tried it though
[19:55:37] <Nico Williams> I would very strongly encourage the use of git repos for I-Ds (sources and formatted) and reviews
[19:55:57] <michiel> Mailing lists and sending a 'review report' where you reference all the previous reviews also could work.
[19:56:07] <ghudson> For us, SPAKE is a path to better second-factor integration than we currently have (FAST OTP was unfortunately a bit of a botch for many deployments).  Anonymous PKINIT FAST + encrypted challenge can solve the core password security problem, at the cost of additional round trips.
[19:56:08] <Nico Williams> I don't care if it's github or some other service, but I do like githib, and gerrithub only works with github for now, IIRC
[19:56:27] <nico> ghudson: yeah, +1
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[19:57:16] <nico> I never got video from meetecho, fyi
[19:57:30] <nico> nor slides, but I did get audio, and with less delay than streaming
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[19:58:05] <Rick van Rein> I cowerdly used Chrome, and had no problem
[19:58:19] <nico> oh, maybe that's it
[19:58:22] <nico> fine
[19:58:26] <nico> next time
[19:58:26] <michiel> I use Firefox, and no presentation
[19:58:32] <Rick van Rein> Chrome does WebRTC well
[19:58:32] <nico> ^
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[19:58:54] <> Thanks for all the comments here :)
[19:58:59] <nico> cheers
[19:59:03] <nico> sorry I couldn't make it!
[19:59:12] <> I'll repeat nico's suggestion that this room can be used for related
discussion not during meetings as well.
[19:59:21] <nico> yes!!!
[19:59:35] <Rick van Rein> cool, thanks all
[19:59:48] <michiel> WebRTC interoperability can only be measured by using multiple browsers ;)
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[20:00:10] <nico> kadukoafs: I think in practice that would require that we use it a bit more socially, like we do #krbdev
[20:00:18] <michiel> Thanks as well, and have a great day over there!
[20:00:30] <nico> or that every time we hit a related subject on #krbdev we move here
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[20:02:29] <michiel> Perhaps the tools people should be asked for another way to archive on the web
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[20:03:06] <michiel> As doesn't navigate that friendly
[20:03:47] <michiel> Anyway, bye!
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