[00:00:38] ljakab joins the room [00:05:55] ljakab leaves the room [00:07:22] Terry Manderson joins the room [00:07:35] lewis running through agenda [00:08:14] lisp deployment scenarios [00:08:23] lewis/wasserman [00:08:49] hide.zebra joins the room [00:09:31] presentation agenda: slide 2 [00:10:15] Introduction: slide 3 [00:10:45] Goal: help lisp in practical deployment scenarios [00:11:49] slide 4: Lisp xtrs as the CE [00:11:51] ljakab joins the room [00:11:57] Fuad Abinader joins the room [00:12:25] red means rloc, green is eid (see picture on slide 4) [00:13:37] slide 5: lisp XTRs [00:13:48] becarpenter joins the room [00:14:43] bortzmeyer joins the room [00:14:54] flips back to slide 4 [00:15:34] mawatari joins the room [00:15:35] question from jari [00:16:01] 1) thinking about tpes of deployment [00:16:04] Wes George joins the room [00:16:08] thinking about lower end [00:16:26] 2) draw nats / firewals [00:16:30] etc [00:16:49] lewis: all those would be below this [00:17:15] cdl@jabber.org joins the room [00:17:26] ok, I've beaten my machine into submission if you want me to take over, Terry [00:17:31] please [00:17:34] thanks! [00:17:35] ack [00:17:41] slide 5 [00:17:51] LISP xTRs [00:18:14] back to slide 4 picture [00:18:30] slides here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/lisp-3.ppt [00:18:38] now slide 6 [00:18:45] arifumi joins the room [00:18:45] xTRs (cont) [00:19:16] slide 7 [00:20:16] HannuF joins the room [00:20:23] cdl@jabber.org leaves the room [00:21:05] (slide 4) but if those are low end routers doesn't it bring up the discussion from yesterday when Dino argued that these routers should be able to do encapsulation for communicating with the Map-Resolver? Isn't it to much load for them? [00:21:10] back to slide 6 [00:21:18] florin - do you want this asked at the mic? [00:21:25] This of course totally breaks any existing deep packet inspection firewall [00:21:50] if possible [00:21:52] slide 7 [00:21:54] ok standby [00:22:34] hartmans - this referring to what? [00:23:21] margaret wasserman [00:23:39] florin, does that answer your q? [00:24:14] If you encap at a different place relative to firewalls than you decap, then you break existing firewalls. [00:24:25] ok, do you want me to bring that to the mic? [00:24:29] yes [00:24:56] I have a mic next to me. no [00:24:57] we're back on slide 7 [00:25:02] oh ok :-) [00:25:15] slide 9 [00:27:03] HannuF leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [00:27:15] jari arkko at mic [00:27:30] don't understand [00:27:32] dino at mic [00:29:57] jari [00:30:18] dino [00:31:34] jari [00:31:45] dino [00:31:53] margaret [00:32:20] jari [00:33:45] dino [00:34:51] jari [00:35:25] back to slide 8 [00:35:38] SoftgearKo joins the room [00:38:11] jari [00:38:40] sam [00:39:10] sam [00:40:08] The question of the LISP beginner: is it important to settle on *one* scenario for the xTR placement? Why not saying simply that there are pros and cons and each site chooses? [00:40:09] margaret [00:40:22] do you want this asked at the mic? [00:40:27] dave meyer at the mic [00:40:39] No, I'm in the room. I'm just wandering. [00:40:41] ok [00:40:49] wondering [00:40:55] I would hope not [00:41:11] it would limit the applicability because I don't thin there's a single solution to everything in the problem space [00:41:34] dave [00:41:51] dino [00:43:19] we've gone back to the slide 7 diagram [00:43:54] sam [00:44:12] now on slide 10 [00:46:29] The question is where we want to focus our efforts. We can describe pros and cons, but if there are a lot more cons then perhaps we don't want to focus energy on making it work [00:46:34] wmhaddad joins the room [00:46:37] jari [00:48:39] sam [00:49:44] wmhaddad leaves the room [00:49:53] margaret wasserman [00:51:09] sam [00:52:09] dino [00:53:30] sam [00:53:48] dino [00:53:51] sam [00:54:09] slide 11 [00:55:53] joel halpern [00:57:41] sam at room mic [00:58:39] meyer: off mic - DNS is wildly successful [00:59:26] Yes, the whole point is surrealistic. If DNS is not successful, what is? 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