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[00:04:07] <Jonathan Lennox> Is anyone not on Meetecho, or otherwise can't see the current slide?
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[00:07:48] <Meetecho> Jonathan Lennox: it should be up and running
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[00:08:23] <Jonathan Lennox> Meetecho: I'm just making sure no one is connecting with just Jabber and the audio streams, in which case I would relay current slide numbers.
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[00:09:31] <Meetecho> ah ok sorry :)
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[00:25:51] <Paul Kyzivat> mic: 2 doesn't slove the problem if the answerer wants to accept a bundle-only m-line, but not the non-bundle-only m-line.
[00:27:15] <Jonathan Lennox> Paul: in q
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[00:31:31] <Paul Kyzivat> mic: 2 says what the offerer must do. What I heard in response was a rule on the answerer. At least need to flesh out the complete rule for evaluation.
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[00:40:56] <Paul Kyzivat> mic: so the rule for 2 is wrong. It should only talk about what the answerer does: if it accepts any rtp m-line it must accept at least one non-bundle-only m-line.
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[00:42:51] <Roman Shpount> mic: You can always create a media forwarding solution that can solve the problem with legacy. Since we  already building solutions that deal with DTLS, this solution can also deal with payload substitution and RTCP re-generation. Not pretty but workable.
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[00:44:47] <Paul Kyzivat> (I have been coming and going due to network problems. So if I disappear, that is why.)
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[00:52:50] <Paul Kyzivat> Do we really want to make a decision to support a device that only works on sunny days?
[00:52:51] <Roman Shpount> mic: We are doing this and we decided to do payload substitution and rtcp regeneration
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[00:54:43] <Jonathan Lennox> Paul: for the mic?
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[00:56:05] <Paul Kyzivat> No - I'm just grumbling
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[00:58:23] <Roman Shpount> mic; And by "this" I mean gateway between legacy SIP and webrtc with rtcp-mux
[00:58:24] <Jonathan Lennox> Roman: in q for you, but letting this conversation go
[00:58:37] <Roman Shpount> sure
[01:00:22] <jesup> mic: For me the issue is "what use cases are we supporting" not "what % of *current* calls use it".  A use-case can be important (or important in the future) even if the % of *current* usage is swamped by other use cases (or non-existant as people haven't started to write code to implement the use-case, or deply it widely)
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[01:13:07] <Paul Kyzivat> hummmmm
[01:13:09] <Roman Shpount> option 1
[01:13:14] <Paul Kyzivat> option 1
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[01:15:24] <Paul Kyzivat> (What was the conclusion? My audio dropped.)
[01:15:42] <Roman Shpount> option 1 was picked
[01:15:56] <Paul Kyzivat> thx
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[01:31:23] <Meetecho> just FYI, if you have any issue with remote audio or video, just mention us and we'll be automatically alerted so that we can look into it
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[01:49:25] <Jonathan Lennox> Max-goats exceeded: http://scienceblogs.de/astrodicticum-simplex/files/2013/11/Herd_Of_Goats.jpg
[01:50:24] <hta> the "goats" actually is an old Chrome tradition - until a year or so ago, the task list in Chrome would include a per-process statitic called "goats teleported".
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[02:02:27] <ben> Personally, I think "min-goats" would be more interesting :-)
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[02:31:49] <Maire Reavy> hum for support of option 3
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[02:31:53] <jesup> hum for 3
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[05:44:00] <Tim Chown> test
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