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[06:52:07] <Ted Hardie> Is anyone in the jabber room remote, at this point?
[06:52:41] <Ethan Hugg> Yes, I'm remote.
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[06:53:46] <Ted Hardie> Hi Ethan. We have a jabber room watcher, Olle. If you need anything reflected to the mic, please use "mic" or MIC: at the front of your comment.
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[06:54:05] <Ethan Hugg> Thanks Ted.
[06:54:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> /nic oej-xmpp-scribe
[06:54:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hmm
[06:54:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> That worked yesterday
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[06:54:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Welcome to the jabber room. I'll be your scribe today
[06:55:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Do we have remote participants?
[06:55:35] <Ted Hardie> Ethan is remote, Olle.
[06:55:44] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ok. Welcome!
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[06:56:10] <Ted Hardie> I'll be signing off, as I will otherwise get flapping birds on the screen.
[06:56:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Another Swede. Let's change language
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[06:56:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
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[06:57:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ted calling the room to order
[06:57:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTCWEB
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[06:58:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> FYI, a Meetecho session is available as well for remote attendees: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf83/rtcweb
[06:59:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> for a close to realtime audio feed, check the RTSP stream: rtsp://srv137.conf.meetecho.com/8880013.sdp
[06:59:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Agenda at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-rtcweb.txt
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[07:00:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> if you join Meetecho and you're already in with your jabber client as well, remember to use a different display name
[07:00:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: NOTE WELL
[07:00:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: We mean this
[07:00:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The Note Well slide. Applies to chat room to
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[07:00:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: AGENDA Day 1
[07:00:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> If you need me to proxy for you at the mic - prefix your statement with "mic:"
[07:01:08] <Melinda> Thank you
[07:01:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We're ready to go.
[07:01:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> First presentation --------------
[07:01:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
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[07:01:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Report from AVTCORE and MMUSIC
[07:01:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Report from AVTCORE and MMUSIC
[07:01:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus Westerlund speaking
[07:02:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: AVTCORE WG
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[07:02:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: AVTCORE WG
[07:03:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> sorry, the slide looks ugly... conversion issue I guess
[07:03:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
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[07:04:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: MMUSIC WG
[07:04:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Welcome new participants. I'll be your xmpp-scribe.
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[07:05:18] <Dan York> is someone jabber-scribing?
[07:05:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Me.
[07:05:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Welcome Dan!
[07:06:14] <Dan York> thank you! I'm trying to be in three sessions simultaneously ;-)
[07:06:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[07:06:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Good luck with that.
[07:06:42] <Dan York> indeed! I need clones :-)
[07:06:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Marc talking
[07:07:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dan: In IPv6 you have room for many clones. In IPv4 they'll all be behind NAT.
[07:07:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-petithuguenin-behave-turn-uris dra
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[07:08:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald preparing to talk
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[07:09:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Stefan Håkansson and Harald Alvestrand reporting from the W3C group
[07:09:30] <Dan York> oej - that's right, I somehow just need to assign myself more interfaces
[07:09:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slides coming up soon
[07:09:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald talking (norwegian accent)
[07:10:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> No slides yet.
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[07:10:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Stefan talking (swedish accent - if you can separate us scandinavians)
[07:11:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Th webrtc and the device API wg in the w3c is cooperating
[07:11:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slides coming up
[07:11:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> sorry, we don't have this slide deck available...
[07:11:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #2 Subgroups
[07:12:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ahh. Irritating
[07:12:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> (for Meetecho remote attendees)
[07:12:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide describes the w3c groups
[07:12:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #3....
[07:12:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[07:12:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Methods of working
[07:12:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Email discussion
[07:12:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Editing team
[07:12:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * WG/TF teleconferences
[07:12:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> beamer2txt :)
[07:12:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Face to face meetings
[07:13:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[07:13:13] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —end of slide
[07:13:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Audio ok for everyone?
[07:14:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide # 4 - Document status
[07:14:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * PeerConnection API document
[07:14:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Mediastream API relatively stable
[07:14:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Data API Incorporated (proposal)
[07:14:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * JSEP integration: 2 proposals
[07:14:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Waiting to integrate Hints & Capabilities
[07:14:49] <Cullen Jennings> The slides being shown right now are now uploaded
[07:14:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> * Not yet integrated stats API
[07:15:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Thanks, Cullen!!!!
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[07:15:00] <Cullen Jennings> They are listed as W3C Coordination slides
[07:15:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> tnx cullen I'll get them right away
[07:15:03] Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1) relaxes
[07:15:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ULR?
[07:15:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> URL?
[07:15:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Status of W3C WEBRTC
[07:15:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Subgroups and Documents
[07:15:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Methods of working
[07:15:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Document status (1)
[07:16:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Document Status (2)
[07:16:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Document Status (2)
[07:16:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Remote participants: If you need me to say anything (well, almost) at the mic, prefix your message with "mic:"
[07:16:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Implementation Status
[07:17:52] <Cullen Jennings> https://pub.ietf.org/proceedings/83/rtcweb/
[07:18:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Thanks, dr reverend Jennings.
[07:18:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Direction Change Discussion
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[07:19:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Schedule
[07:19:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "A test case that nobody passes is a useless test case" - Harald
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[07:20:23] <Cullen Jennings> draft-burnett-rtcweb-constraints-registry-00
[07:20:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen: Pls remind speakers to state name *clearly*
[07:21:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Igor talking
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[07:21:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The room is full.
[07:22:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald Wittgear speaking
[07:22:48] <Cullen Jennings> will remind people if I ever get my mic back :-)
[07:22:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[07:23:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> My apologies for the spelling of names… ;-)
[07:23:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — W3c part of session over
[07:24:06] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus Westerlund talking
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[07:24:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[07:24:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTCWEB Generic Identity Service
[07:24:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ————- RTCweb generic identity service - Eric Rescorla
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[07:25:09] <Dan York> Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-rtcweb-2.pdf
[07:25:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Eric usually talks very fast, so hang on
[07:25:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> It's not encrypted...
[07:25:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: What are we trying to accomplish?
[07:25:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> First mention of Alice and Bob in this session ****
[07:26:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Do complain if you can't follow the order and I'll *try* to slow him down.
[07:26:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> follow the *AUDIO*
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[07:26:28] <Dan York> good luck with that! :-)
[07:26:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> he he
[07:26:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Topology
[07:26:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I emphasized the *try* for a reason :-)
[07:27:00] <Wolfgang Beck> he talked much slower when he held his presentation via skype last ietf
[07:27:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> So skype slows down people? Interesting protocol
[07:27:30] <Dan York> latency ;-)
[07:27:46] <Wolfgang Beck> now the audio has stopped for me. buffer overrun, apparently
[07:28:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Wolfgang the RTSP stream?
[07:28:15] <Wolfgang Beck> the meetecho rtsp
[07:28:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Terminology
[07:28:25] <Wolfgang Beck> the ietf stream works currently
[07:28:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> restarting it should do the trick
[07:28:46] <Wolfgang Beck> yes it works
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[07:29:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> or if you're feeling brave, you can use the flash player which attaches to the same stream
[07:29:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Types of IdP
[07:29:35] <Alessandro Amirante> Meetecho is up and running at www.meetecho.com/ietf83/rtcweb
[07:29:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We're here to avoid flash players… :-)
[07:29:43] <Alessandro Amirante> Meetecho RTSP stream is at: rtsp://srv137.conf.meetecho.com/8880013.sdp
[07:29:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> I know :D
[07:29:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> that'swhat the "brave" was for!
[07:30:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> he he
[07:30:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Authoritative vs. Third-Party IdPs: Trus
[07:30:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: User Relationships with IdPs
[07:31:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Audio ok to everyone? He has the mic far away from the mouth...
[07:31:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Web-based IdP Systems
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[07:32:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Example: Faceb ook Connect (sorta OAuth)
[07:32:43] <Martin Thomson> he forgot live...
[07:33:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Facebook Connect Call Flow (not logged i
[07:34:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Facebook Connect Call Flow (not logged i
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[07:35:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Example: BrowserID
[07:35:20] <Martin Thomson> not just redirects. popups are more common now.
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[07:35:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Facebook Connect Call Flow (not logged i
[07:35:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Charles at mic
[07:36:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Example: BrowserID
[07:37:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: BrowserID (no key pair)
[07:37:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> For new remote participants: The agenda is at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-rtcweb.txt
[07:38:14] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Eric Rescorla talking about various identification systems
[07:38:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Igor talking
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[07:39:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: IETF 83
[07:39:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 15: What are we trying to accomplish?
[07:40:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Chair Ted asking: "We don't need beer?" Eric's response: "We DO need beer"…
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[07:41:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> 33% of Dan York in this channel: What about DANE?
[07:41:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Example IdP Interaction: BrowserID
[07:43:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Andrew talking
[07:43:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Eric is talking more than 56.000 baud
[07:43:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ??? talking
[07:44:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oscar talking
[07:44:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oscar Ohlsson
[07:44:49] <Dan York> oej - Wise guy... I'm in the room now
[07:45:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[07:45:23] <jesup> normal speed for ekr
[07:45:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Do we have an anti-redbull-drink for him?
[07:46:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Queue at the mic
[07:46:14] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The room is packed
[07:46:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hilan Lu at mic
[07:46:34] <Dan York> yes, we have resumed the normal pace of 1.0 ekrs
[07:46:53] <Dan York> He had slowed down to maybe 0.75 ekrs for the first part of the preso
[07:46:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> I was wondering where all the wind came from :)
[07:46:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> What's the RFC for definition of "ekr"
[07:47:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin Thomson talking
[07:47:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Tom Lowenthal at mic
[07:48:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "The goal is to have certificates to be valid as short as possible if not shorter" - Tom
[07:48:53] <Dan York> mmmm ... cookies
[07:48:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 17: Example JSEP TransportInfo with BrowserI
[07:49:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Code on screen. Be warned.
[07:49:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> for Meetecho attendees, cliking on the slides will change the zoom level
[07:49:42] <Dan York> JSON, not code ;-)
[07:49:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> in case you're getting blind trying to read what's written n it!
[07:49:49] <tlr> data on screen, be afraid.
[07:49:56] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Data on screen, beware
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[07:49:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 18: Example JSEP TransportInfo with Faceb o
[07:50:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> he he
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[07:50:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> protocol: bogus seems interesting
[07:50:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Heilan Lu at mic
[07:51:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen: Pls inform group that we have over 20 remote participants (which is why we're reminding them about names and talking clearly etc)
[07:51:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 19: But we want it to b e generic...
[07:52:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We need FluffyConnect as an add on to the Fluffy CA
[07:52:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 20: What needs to b e defined
[07:53:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> repeat: If you need me to say anything at the mic, please prefix your statement with "mic"
[07:53:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Does not apply to people in this room :-) you have to proxy yourselves
[07:54:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha Ravindran at mic
[07:54:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking
[07:55:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 21: What needs to b e tied to user identity?
[07:56:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 22: Security Prop erties of ICE Candidates
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[07:57:10] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox talking
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[07:57:37] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Believe me - EKR has a *water* bottle, not a red bull.
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[07:58:16] <Martin Thomson> EKR is time efficient, a property that I value in these forums
[07:58:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Igor talking
[07:58:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We have 12 minutes left of this block
[08:00:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 23: Security Prop erties of Media Parameters
[08:00:37] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> chair Ted cut the mic queue
[08:01:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 24: Generic Structure for Identity Assertion
[08:01:42] <Dan York> The very concept of combining ekr and red bull is rather scary...
[08:01:44] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ouch.
[08:01:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The chair asked EKR to SPEED UP...
[08:02:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin Thomason at mic
[08:02:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 25: Generic Downward Interface (Implemented
[08:02:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 26: Where is the IdP JS fetched from?
[08:02:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 25: Generic Downward Interface (Implemented
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[08:03:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 26: Where is the IdP JS fetched from?
[08:03:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 27: How do es PeerConnection know IdP domain
[08:03:56] Mo Zanaty joins the room
[08:04:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 28: Generic Message Structure
[08:04:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 29: Incoming Message Checks (IdP Proxy)
[08:04:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 30: Incoming Message Checks (PeerConnection)
[08:04:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 31: Signature pro cess
[08:04:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 32: Verification Pro cess
[08:04:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 33: Meaning of Successful Verification
[08:04:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> skipping a lot of slides :)
[08:05:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 34: Processing Successful Verifications
[08:06:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 35: How do I stand up a new IdP?
[08:06:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 36: Integrated IdP Supp ort
[08:06:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bullet 1 and 4 - Get users and Profit seems to be hard and out of scope for standardization work
[08:07:16] <Martin Thomson> for posterity: we don't need standardization for the SIGN step, only the VERIFY step
[08:07:44] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Do you mean "sign in" or "sign"?
[08:07:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Do you need to use identity all the time
[08:08:04] <Martin Thomson> SIGN, the step where the AP gains an assertion from the IdP
[08:08:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ok, just checking
[08:08:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> agree with you
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[08:09:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 38: Big op en issues
[08:09:15] wittner joins the room
[08:11:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Andrew Allen speaking
[08:11:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> EKR mentioned this draft quickly: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-sip-identity-media-02
[08:11:49] Hadriel Kaplan joins the room
[08:12:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Tim Panton talking next
[08:12:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (pre-announcement)
[08:12:28] eburger joins the room
[08:13:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dan YOrk taking pictures - smile!
[08:13:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin Thomson speaking
[08:13:59] <Hadriel Kaplan> tell Dan you want privacy
[08:14:14] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Block your web cams
[08:14:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> /nic anonymous
[08:14:23] <eburger> Who is asserting Dan's identity?
[08:14:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who is Dan, really?
[08:14:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> 128 random bits?
[08:14:38] <Hadriel Kaplan> he's a bot
[08:14:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> who am I?
[08:14:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jan Seedorf speaking
[08:14:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Tall guy, bowing down to the mike
[08:15:18] <Alessandro Amirante> :)
[08:15:30] Spencer Dawkins joins the room
[08:16:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald Alvestrand speaking
[08:16:00] <Spencer Dawkins> Can anyone make a compelling case for third-party IdPs?
[08:16:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Not - ted hardie speaking
[08:16:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Now harald
[08:16:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Worried about delays because of idp infrastructure
[08:16:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Huilan Lu speaking
[08:17:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 39: Questions?
[08:17:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard Ejzak speaking
[08:18:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Do you need to use identity all the time
[08:18:17] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox speaking
[08:19:05] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Different streams to different destinations with different security propertiies
[08:19:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hmmm
[08:19:30] <Hadriel Kaplan> don't over-complicate it, just treat that as two Peers
[08:19:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin Thomson speaking
[08:19:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[08:19:57] <Martin Thomson> thanks Hadriel, that's what I said
[08:19:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTCWEB Working Group
[08:20:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Next speaker — Dan Wing - Media Security
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[08:20:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Agenda
[08:20:53] <Dan York> Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-rtcweb-3.pdf
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[08:20:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> For newcomers in the chat room: I'm the jabber scribe. If you need me to voice your question please prefix your statement with "mic:"
[08:21:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> to attend the session remotely via Meetecho, just click here http://www.meetecho.com/ietf83/rtcweb
[08:21:37] Hadriel Kaplan leaves the room
[08:21:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Purpose of This Presentation
[08:21:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> remember to use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
[08:22:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Reading List: Keying Mechanisms (1/3)
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[08:22:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Reading List: Analysis of Keying Mechani
[08:23:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> RFC 5479 is a "boring read" - anylyzing all proposals for media key exchange
[08:23:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5479
[08:23:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Reading List: Identity (3/3)
[08:24:08] <Dan York> It's a great summary of the discussion we had at that BOF, though.
[08:24:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> SIP Identity coming up. We have a lack of implementations. Come to SIPit if you have one and we'll test!
[08:24:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Model
[08:24:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (apologies for SIPit marketing)
[08:24:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: QUESTIONS FOR WORKING GROUP
[08:24:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Questions for Working Group
[08:24:59] Cullen Jennings leaves the room
[08:25:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: RTP VERSUS SRTP
[08:25:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Pros
[08:25:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The battle begins… :-)
[08:25:32] Cullen Jennings joins the room
[08:25:34] <Dan York> :-)
[08:26:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "A Madonna song or something really horrible like that" - Dan Wing
[08:27:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: RTP Interoperability
[08:27:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> can't say I disagree
[08:28:01] Jeremy Whittaker leaves the room
[08:28:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: Debugging
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[08:29:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: Protocol Complexity
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[08:29:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 15: RTP Risks
[08:30:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Pros
[08:30:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> What if we don't WANT identity?
[08:31:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 17: SRTP Interoperability
[08:31:02] Luca De Cicco joins the room
[08:31:19] <Dan York> Choosing the keying mechanism is THE pain point.
[08:31:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Igor at mic
[08:31:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Pros
[08:31:44] Gyubong Oh joins the room
[08:32:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> SSL proxys
[08:32:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 17: SRTP Interoperability
[08:32:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 18: RECORDING
[08:33:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 19: Recording
[08:33:48] Luca De Cicco leaves the room
[08:33:56] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dan has 47 pictures and 80 minutes
[08:34:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 20: Independent Sessions
[08:34:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> just 43 I think
[08:34:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> the rest are additional slides
[08:34:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 19: Recording
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[08:35:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 20: Independent Sessions
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[08:36:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Interesting privacy issues here.
[08:36:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 21: SBC Recording Model
[08:36:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Like always with call recordings :-)
[08:36:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ASCII art on screen.
[08:37:35] <Dan York> alice
[08:37:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 22: UA Recording Model
[08:37:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> bob ?
[08:38:06] <Martin Thomson> carol!
[08:38:12] <Cullen Jennings> proving that even when they have PDF, the IETF uses ascii
[08:38:13] <hta> But where's Mallory?
[08:38:19] <Dan York> :-)
[08:38:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ASCII is compatible with the participants
[08:38:36] <Dan York> Cullen - that *is* amusing
[08:38:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 21: SBC Recording Model
[08:38:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> looks like they missed the RFCFORM session!
[08:38:58] <Martin Thomson> I suspect that laziness has more to do with it. Drawing pictures is time consuming, copy and pasting isn't.
[08:39:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 22: UA Recording Model
[08:39:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 23: Question for Working Group
[08:39:16] <hta> and copy'n'paste of ASCII art works when copy'n'paste of pictures don't.
[08:39:16] <Cullen Jennings> @olle: you saying we are 1 bit short of a full byte
[08:39:41] Jeremy Barkan joins the room
[08:39:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha at mic
[08:40:12] Jonathan Lennox joins the room
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[08:40:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Protocol layer violation coming
[08:40:21] Susan Thomson joins the room
[08:40:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We're on, folks. :-)
[08:40:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Queue lining up with usual suspects - hadriel, ekr, harald
[08:40:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ted speaking as chair
[08:41:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> hadriel mumbling without mike
[08:41:28] mhp joins the room
[08:41:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> partha speaking again
[08:41:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Welcome _mhp_ !
[08:41:50] <mhp> Hi Olle!
[08:42:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel Kaplan speaking
[08:42:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Starbucks mug in hand waving around
[08:43:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> let's hope it's empty
[08:43:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha is struggling for mike
[08:43:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> partha speaking
[08:43:36] <Martin Thomson> it might be better full
[08:43:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[08:44:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel Kaplan speaking
[08:44:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I've read his email, it's no fun...
[08:44:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ooops.
[08:44:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Marketing layer - is that #8 or #9 ?
[08:45:21] <Dan York> Hadriel just said the "M" word!!!
[08:45:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Skype gets away with it because it's encrypted". "At the end of the day we are competing with Skype and Flash"
[08:45:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —hadriel
[08:45:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> EKR speaking
[08:45:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Longest queue I've seen so far at #ietf83
[08:46:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "There's really no benefit of running RTP" - EKR
[08:46:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald with Chrome implementor hat on
[08:46:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "We found absolutely no reason to support RTP" - Harald
[08:47:05] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (Applause)
[08:47:09] <burn> Chairs: to be fair, the person in line was making his way back there before you cut the line
[08:47:10] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jean-Marc Valin
[08:47:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Igor talking
[08:48:16] Susan Thomson leaves the room
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[08:48:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard Eizak speaking
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[08:49:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bill Versteg talking
[08:49:44] <eburger> Did I just hear Harald say that he will not do RTP, no matter what the IETF publishes? If you do RTP and that is the IETF standard, too bad for you? Is that not ITU-T talk?
[08:49:56] <Martin Thomson> Richard Ejzak
[08:50:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> @eric burger: Oh, that's an interesting note :-)
[08:50:29] <jesup> srtp only yes
[08:50:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hum for srtp only
[08:50:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hum for both srtp and rtp
[08:50:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Strong consensus for SRTP only
[08:50:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> YEAH!
[08:50:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 24: SECURITY DESCRIPTIONS VERSUS DTLS-SRTP
[08:50:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 25: The Need for Identity
[08:50:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (sorry personal outburst)
[08:50:54] <Dan York> Yea!
[08:50:56] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> harald made it.
[08:51:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 26: Why Consider Security Descriptions at al
[08:51:09] <eburger> Mind you , I just hummed for SRTP only. It was the attitude that was a bit weird.
[08:51:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Agree
[08:51:23] <hta> eburger: If we were to permit SRTP and RTP (which is now off the table), we would argue strongly that support of RTP would be optional for implementations.
[08:51:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 27: Security Descriptions Interop
[08:51:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Well, we're beyond that discussion now.
[08:52:02] Luca De Cicco joins the room
[08:52:14] <eburger> WFM. But standing up and saying that no matter what consensus is your implementation will effectively be proprietary is not relevant to the standards process.
[08:52:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 28: DTLS-SRTP and Security Descriptions Inte
[08:52:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who's tlaking?
[08:53:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> talking?
[08:53:12] <eburger> Bernard
[08:53:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen (without chair hat)
[08:53:18] <Magnus Westerlund (WG Chair)> Bernard Aboba
[08:54:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 29: Crypto Burden on Media Gateway
[08:54:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> With SIPforum hat on :-)
[08:55:11] eburger leaves the room
[08:55:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dan Wing talking again btw.
[08:55:17] <hta> eburger, it's possible we'd have to not claim conformance to the standard if we believed MUSTs in the standard made our services insecure. But anything short of that, I think we'd try to conform to it. Mandatory RTP implementation hasn't been on the table, I think.
[08:55:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 30: Encrypted Key Transport (EKT)
[08:55:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Eburger has left the chat.
[08:57:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 31: Using EKT for Interop
[08:57:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 32: Enhancement to EKT for Interop
[08:57:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Burn, media gateway, burn.
[08:57:58] <Martin Thomson> so as I understand it, you lose forward security in order to do EKT
[08:58:59] <Jonathan Lennox> If you're interop'ing with SDES you already don't have forward security by definition … but downgrade attacks are worrying.
[08:59:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin: Say that on the mic
[08:59:05] <Dan York> Thanks to eburger for providing Dan Wing with a pointer, although it was entertaining to see Dan making shadow pictures
[08:59:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dan: Are you suggesting that we remove the pointer from Dan?
[08:59:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin tomson was talking
[08:59:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Now EKR
[08:59:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (Voice pattern recognition)
[09:00:05] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> hadriel speaking
[09:00:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "There's a cheaper way of solving the burning problem - buy fans" - Hadriel
[09:02:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oscar Ohlsson talking
[09:03:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus as chair interrupting
[09:03:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin Perkings talking
[09:03:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 33: DTLS-SRTP-EKT and Security Descriptions
[09:03:21] <Dan York> as everyone goes to read the EKT draft...
[09:03:25] Jeremy Barkan leaves the room
[09:03:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 34: SRTP Key Changes
[09:03:29] Jeremy Barkan joins the room
[09:04:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 35: SRTP Key Changes
[09:04:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Christer Holmber talking
[09:04:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Holmberg
[09:05:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Keying in the media path is more secure" - Dan Wing
[09:06:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I assume there will be a large amount of apps that DO NOT want to connect to legacy stuff, like good old SIP phones.
[09:06:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard talking
[09:07:18] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 28: DTLS-SRTP and Security Descriptions Inte
[09:07:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard Eizak and Dan Wing discussing stuff
[09:08:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 35: SRTP Key Changes
[09:08:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "I can't fix that and it wasn't my fault" - Dan Wing on SDES key exchange
[09:08:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oscar Ohlsson talking
[09:08:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 36: Keying Comparison: DTLS-SRTP and SDESC
[09:08:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 35: SRTP Key Changes
[09:08:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 36: Keying Comparison: DTLS-SRTP and SDESC
[09:08:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Security Descriptions
[09:09:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 38: DTLS-SRTP-EKT
[09:10:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We have a queue at the mic
[09:10:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 39: Removing Barriers to DTLS
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[09:11:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 40: Summary of DTLS-SRTP-EKT
[09:11:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 41: Choices
[09:11:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "My summary of SRTP - it's best and it rocks" - Dan Wing
[09:11:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 39: Removing Barriers to DTLS
[09:11:43] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel Kaplan talking
[09:11:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Security Descriptions
[09:11:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Without coffee mug
[09:13:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ted hardy as chair asking a question
[09:14:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "You do not have end to end security, you DO have first hop security" - Hadriel
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[09:14:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Welcome Saghul
[09:14:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha Ravindran speaking
[09:14:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bernard Aboba speaking
[09:14:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 41: Choices
[09:15:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (With a cool SIP forum hat with a PRI block sign in front. I'm envious)
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[09:15:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Long queue
[09:15:56] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> EKR talking.
[09:16:42] <jesup> mic: two issues - extra bandwidth for ekt (noticable, especially for audio). 2- SDES means trivial downgrade of security by an attacker - bid0-down attacks. Users need to able to be told their media is secure or it isn't. subtlities of first-hop security doesn't play to users. I say use gateways when going to legacy SDES equipment.
[09:17:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ok, queued after Harald. Long queue.
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[09:18:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Trying to get him to talk into the mike
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[09:19:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We're into digital rights issues
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[09:20:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> (chair)
[09:20:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard Eizak speaking
[09:22:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Flashing green stars???
[09:23:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel Kaplan speaking
[09:23:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen as chair cutting the line
[09:23:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Security Descriptions
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[09:25:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We know that SDES works but also doesn't give much security… (personal note)
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[09:25:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha Ravindran talking
[09:25:42] <jesup> Trusting the servers is bad in a bunch of countries
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[09:26:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin Thomson talking
[09:26:22] <Jonathan Lennox> Line is closed, so I'll say it here — the other concern with EKT is that the current *spec* isn't even published yet, so there's certainly no implementation experience.
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[09:27:01] <jesup> Martin++
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[09:27:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> harald speaking
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[09:27:51] <Martin Thomson> EKT would be optional though, right?
[09:28:18] <Jonathan Lennox> Optional to use or optional to implement?
[09:28:21] <Martin Thomson> as observed earlier, it doesn't really have a use case for something other than conferencing, because you don't rekey one-to-one calls that often
[09:28:24] <juberti> I imagine it would only be turned on when talking to a gateway?
[09:29:02] <Martin Thomson> I'd think optional to implement actually, but if you want to do gateways and mixers, then maybe...
[09:29:09] <Jonathan Lennox> Even in a lot of conferencing cases it's hard to use, if you need any media-aware processing in the conference server. (Which you do, if you have to fit into a bandwidth budget.)
[09:29:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jesup: done
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[09:30:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> EKR talking
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[09:30:18] <Jonathan Lennox> If gateways are going to be able to count on not burning, EKT has to be mandatory-to-implement
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[09:30:27] <juberti> right
[09:30:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 41: Choices
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[09:31:51] <Jonathan Lennox> As long as it's mandatory-to-implement, the immaturity of EKT worries me.
[09:32:58] <juberti> DTLS-SRTP isn't all that mature either… we don't have any browser impls yet, although we're pretty close.
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[09:34:00] <jesup> SDES: no
[09:34:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Please hum if you want SDES to be mandatory to implement option
[09:34:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Seond hum will be DTLS-SRTP with or without EKT
[09:35:07] <jesup> hum
[09:35:11] <jesup> no sdes
[09:35:13] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> No consesus
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[09:35:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Which concludes this session. Thank you all.
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[09:36:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
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