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[18:03:08] <Dave Thaler> will there be a jabber scribe?
[18:03:17] <Dave Thaler> (Szilveszter? :)
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[18:04:13] <Gorry Fairhurst> Session starting for TAPS at Dallas IETF
[18:05:00] <Gorry Fairhurst> If there are remote participants, I can relay questions to the Mic or shout about audio levels.
[18:05:27] <Dave Thaler> I'm remotely following where you are on the agenda since I'm in dnssd until about the last half hour
[18:05:42] <Szilveszter Nadas> Gorry volunteered to be the sribe.
[18:05:51] <Dave Thaler> thanks Gorry
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[18:09:25] <Gorry Fairhurst> Brian Trammell : ID review
[18:09:31] <Gorry Fairhurst> Slide 2
[18:10:06] <Gorry Fairhurst> Slide 3, Status
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[18:12:09] <sznadas.ietf> Slide 5
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[18:32:22] <sznadas.ietf> RTCWeb data channel services - Michael Tuexen
[18:32:32] <sznadas.ietf> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/92/slides/slides-92-taps-2.pdf
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[18:33:36] <sznadas.ietf> Slide 3
[18:34:48] <sznadas.ietf> 5
[18:37:21] <Gorry Fairhurst> Slide 6
[18:38:50] <Gorry Fairhurst> Slide 7: Peer connections
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[18:46:28] <sznadas.ietf> 15 (last slide)
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[18:48:15] <sznadas.ietf> Multisource video / TV - Marie-Jose                 Montpetit
[18:53:47] <sznadas.ietf> Slide 3
[18:54:16] <sznadas.ietf> 4
[18:57:10] <Gorry Fairhurst> Discussion of what it means to be reliable?
[18:57:48] <Gorry Fairhurst> Christian: You get what you want, or you get nothing - it gives up.
[18:58:47] <Gorry Fairhurst> Dave Crocker: You raise the issue of two communities that use the same term. You could use the term usability perhaps?
[18:59:21] <Gorry Fairhurst> I'm trying to understand how this is different to QoS?
[18:59:44] <Gorry Fairhurst> MJM: I try to avoid QoS (as another rat-hole)
[19:00:27] <Gorry Fairhurst> David Black: I agree with Quality of Experience, it matters more what the user's video actually looks like.
[19:01:04] <hannu.flinck@nsn.com> MJM: I try to avoid QoS (as another rat-hole)
[19:01:04] <hannu.flinck@nsn.com> David Black: I agree with Quality of Experience, it matters more what the user's video actually looks like.
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[19:02:02] <Gorry Fairhurst> Aaron: The goal is to understand new dimensions that are wanted.
[19:02:31] <Gorry Fairhurst> … Timely delivery is one point, what else is there?
[19:02:52] <Gorry Fairhurst> On time and the important bits arrive to give the QoE that is needed.
[19:03:51] <Gorry Fairhurst> Christian: You can get reliability by ARQ or FEC - there are tradeoffs with the way you use the path.
[19:04:30] <mnot> General comment: this work seems very much like WS-*/Web Services, and so I am scared. Abstractions are leaky.
[19:04:56] <Gorry Fairhurst> Dave Crocker: I like the term QoE.
[19:05:57] <Gorry Fairhurst> Toerless: I think redefining the reliability can be really hard, within video for example there are different types of packets - some can be much more valuable than others.
[19:06:12] <Dave Thaler> the meeting is in the Discussion time after the Multisource (video preso, correct?)
[19:06:15] <Gorry Fairhurst> Toerless: This may be bigger than we can handle in this WG.
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[19:06:48] <sznadas.ietf> We are at slide 5
[19:06:56] <Dave Thaler> slide 5 of which preso?
[19:06:59] <sznadas.ietf> But there was quite an amount of discussion about slide 4
[19:07:23] <sznadas.ietf> Multisource video
[19:07:26] <Gorry Fairhurst> Slide Presenter: Marie-Jose Montpetit
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[19:07:29] <Dave Thaler> ack thanks
[19:09:45] <Gorry Fairhurst> Matt: History is littered with people saying they don't like the transports, that may be correct in some context, but inventing new ones is really hard and complexly connected. We both need a simple way to get it mostly right - we also need a more detailed way to do this.
[19:09:47] <Dave Thaler> please let me know when we're about ready for the next presentation to start
[19:10:05] <sznadas.ietf> ack
[19:13:15] <Gorry Fairhurst> Jana at the Mic. Current Q 5 people.
[19:14:02] <Gorry Fairhurst> 5 minutes to end of topic
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[19:16:47] <Gorry Fairhurst> Final Slide:
[19:17:49] <Gorry Fairhurst> Next Speaker:
[19:18:05] <sznadas.ietf> Dave: about ready
[19:18:27] <Gorry Fairhurst> I'm talking next then, by michael W
[19:19:26] <sznadas.ietf> Matrix Review - Gorry Fairhurst <http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/92/slides/slides-92-taps-3.pdf>
[19:21:18] <sznadas.ietf> Slide 2
[19:22:32] <sznadas.ietf> 3/7
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[19:29:05] <sznadas.ietf> 4/7
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[19:36:50] <sznadas.ietf> slide 5
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