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[10:58:03] <Dhruv Dhody> https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf
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[10:59:50] <Jari Arkko> Was I supposed to do something? Not sure I can upload.
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[11:00:26] <Vishnu Beeram> @Jari, Can you email the latest deck to vishnupavan@gmail.com
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[11:01:04] <Lou Berger> https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-teas?both
[11:01:08] <Dhruv Dhody> yes :)
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[11:01:50] <Jari Arkko> Vishnu: you can take the slides from. https://arkko.com/ietf/teas/slicedefnew.pdf
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[11:04:37] <Vishnu Beeram> it should be uploaded.. Can you check on datatracker and confirm?
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[11:07:44] <Lou Berger> yes
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[11:09:56] <Jari Arkko> I still get a 404...
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[11:10:11] <Jari Arkko> Maybe Reza can share a local copy...
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[11:10:15] <Tom Hill> @Adrian, I've noticed that it doesn't show when it's your own
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[11:10:37] <Tom Hill> Confused me, until I saw the volume level appear when I had voice enabled.
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[11:11:53] <Meetecho> Tom Hill: when you get the floor, the background color under your name changes to green. Together with the waveform, those are the indicators to check to see when you're unmuted
[11:12:18] <Meetecho> It's explained in the pdf documentation on the IETF website, and on the video tutorial we recorded last week
[11:12:24] <Meetecho> We'll try to make it clearer in the future
[11:13:11] <Adrian Farrel> Well, yes @eric, the ACTN draft is limited to ACTN
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[11:14:00] <Adrian Farrel> @meetecho, @tom hill. Yes, the confusing thing is whether the mic icon is visible in your green bar
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[11:14:19] <Meetecho> The background for the mic icon doesn't change
[11:14:40] <Meetecho> Only the one under your name (which is in the row on top)
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[11:15:19] <Jie Dong> OK, we will raise some discussion about the changes on the list. @Lou
[11:16:20] <Lou Berger> @jie: thanks!
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[11:16:48] <Adrian Farrel> @meetecho. I wasn't clear. When accepted to the floor you are added to the section with a green background. Good. I see that "everyone else" in that category has a mic icon on the right of that bar, but I do not have that icon. So it feels like my mic is not active. I think this is probably responsible for most people who click themselves out of the floor as soon as they are granted access
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[11:17:02] <Lou Berger> @jari/reza -- please verify https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/slides/slides-108-teas-5-ietf-definition-of-transport-slice-01.pdf is the right version
[11:17:08] <Deborah Brungard> @meetecho Myself, I have a mike icon (on right). Do I need to enable it? (When I practiced with it, I need to do so, but in the Plenary on Wednesday, it did not (seem.) to work. work
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[11:17:58] <Meetecho> Deborah Brungard: there are two mic icons, the first one adds you to the queue (and so needs a chair to grant you the floor), the second one allows you to speak right away (no queue)
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[11:18:39] <Lou Berger> @meetecho two identical icons is a real source of confusion
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[11:18:41] <Deborah Brungard> @meetecho do you need to click the one on the right when ready to speak?
[11:19:22] <Meetecho> Lou Berger: fair point, they're the same icon but have a different icon below (one has a hand, one has a play). Probably too confusing, we got feedback on that
[11:19:32] <Lou Berger> @deborah if you 'hover' over the button a popup shows you the button's function
[11:19:37] <Meetecho> Deborah Brungard: if you want to speak without getting in queue, yes
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[11:20:01] <Deborah Brungard> @Lou the 2nd one to the right is to ask for the floor, the most right one (I thought is to speak).
[11:20:02] <Meetecho> Otherwise you need to press the first icon, and just wait for a chair to accept. When they do, nothing else you need to do, the UI will change to show you're speaking
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[11:20:32] <Meetecho> (UI will change when the chair grants the floor, not immediately)
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[11:20:49] <Meetecho> Apologies for the inconveniences, feedback this week really helped :D
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[11:23:27] <Deborah Brungard> @meetecho if then you are in green as Adrian was, then you don't need to enable the mike? For myself, as Alissa was not giving us permission, I should just enable mike? Maybe it was the delay, and I wasn't sure, so maybe I clicked too fast again and disabled?
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[11:24:57] <Meetecho> Yes, the mic icon should only be clicked once: either to be added to queue, or to speak right away. When you're speaking, clicking the mic icon would actually release the floor (the icon would show a small 'stop' sign)
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[11:25:40] <Lou Berger> @deborah -- there seems to be a lag from the local icon change (to speak) and when others will hear you
[11:26:15] <Deborah Brungard> @meetecho thanks! we are learning:-)
[11:26:48] <Robert Wilton> Yes it is Martin
[11:27:10] <Italo Busi> how to get in contact with him?
[11:29:13] <Robert Wilton> Probably by raising an issue on the pyang github?
[11:29:26] <Meetecho> Glad to be of help, and thanks a lot for the feedback and questions! This is learning time for us too :)
[11:29:31] <Lou Berger> thats what I was thinking too
[11:29:40] <Robert Wilton> https://github.com/mbj4668/pyang
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[11:30:17] <Vishnu Beeram> Thanks, Robert! that seems to be the right approach..
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[11:40:54] <Robert Wilton> On the path computation presentation, and having looked at RFC 7950, for issue #76 (1) and (2) I think that the pyang 2.1 behaviour is correct.
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[11:41:48] <Robert Wilton> I.e. don't include "input" and for (2), I think that this isn't allowed.  The key text being section 6.4.1 or RFC 7950
[11:42:11] <Italo Busi> @robert: with the pyang 2.1 behavior, it is not possible to specify a when statement in RPC output that depends on RPC input
[11:42:55] <Robert Wilton> @Italo: correct it isn't allowed
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[11:45:10] <dhruvdhody> yes
[11:45:23] <Lou Berger> Please check that your comments at the mic are properly captured at https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-teas?both
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[11:52:34] <Tom Hill> We're going to run over at this rate. Can we make sure the time is kept?
[11:52:46] <Tom Hill> I'd really like some lunch between the end of this session and the next :)
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[11:54:43] <Lou Berger> @tom we give priority to WG items and discussion
[11:55:03] <Lou Berger> while trying to keep time too ;-)
[11:55:06] <Tom Hill> So what are we cutting? ;)
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[11:55:27] <Lou Berger> the individual draft at the end -- unless we make up time along the way
[11:55:34] <Tom Hill> OK
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[12:02:33] <Lou Berger> @here the remaining docs are all individual -- we're going to ask all speakers to keep to ~5minutes
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[12:08:08] <Adrian Farrel> Fine to use the term "consumer" but don't get too hung up on your limited interpretation of "customer". I think you are thinking that customers must be external and must be end-users
[12:08:45] <Lou Berger> @here if you object to adoption please comment here or at the mic (if here, I can read)
[12:10:07] <Vishnu Beeram> if you have objection to adopt in its current form, please do state what else you would like to see get addressed..
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[12:14:57] <Vishnu Beeram> The next presentation (which also discusses modeling transport network slices) compares their modeling approach with the one that Xufeng is currently proposing. If there are any modeling approach comparison questions, please do defer them till the end of the second presentation..
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[12:24:12] <Vishnu Beeram> Note that the previous presentation ties the modeling of a transport network slice to existing network topology models while the current presentation focuses on the service view of a slice. Please chime in with your views on these 2 approaches (either here or on the list).. There seems to be a case being made (by both sets of authors) to make room for both -- please discuss if you have any objections...
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[12:26:50] <dhruvdhody> Should this I-D be in IDR? I see BGP extensions here!
[12:27:31] <Vishnu Beeram> This presentation and the next discuss a couple of Segment Routing based solutions for realizing network slicing. There are a few more such solutions being discussed in other WGs.. Though the mechanics are slightly different in all of these solutions that are catering to the same problem space, the hope is that they would all fit into the framework that our NS Design team is currently putting together.
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[12:29:00] <dhruvdhody> if we see all of these as "Transport Slice realization technique" hidden from the higher system, it could be
[12:29:48] <Jeff Tantsura> It is
[12:29:52] <dhruvdhody> what is southbound BGP-LS
[12:30:34] <Adrian Farrel> BGP-LU?
[12:30:57] <Jeff Tantsura> I’d assume BGP-L -&gt; device
[12:31:27] <Jeff Tantsura> Controller -&gt; device
[12:32:05] <dhruvdhody> can it be called BGP-LS in that case? we dont call SR-Policy BGP-LS?
[12:32:06] <Jeff Tantsura> As the opposite to BGP-LS used NB
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[12:32:55] <Ketan Talaulikar> BGP-LS has been network to controller. This is the reverse. So not sure if this is really BGP-LS. Plus this looks like yet another of provisioning service using BGP?
[12:33:06] <Stewart Bryant> If there us no time for questions, perhaps the authors could produce a video that we can look at before and then just do questions in the meeting?
[12:33:35] <dhruvdhody> PCECC would be better for this and output of this WG
[12:33:41] <Lou Berger> reverse classroom is a nice idea
[12:33:55] <Zhenbin Li> @Jeffery We have a similar idea to use BGP-LS to allocate SID from controller to device, it is suggested not to use BGP-LS like this way. It is better to introduce some new AFI/SAFI to isolation such usage.
[12:34:36] <Ketan Talaulikar> BGP Config SAFI ? ;-)
[12:34:36] <Jie Dong> Is this using BGP to provision (configure) the FAD and link colors to devices?
[12:34:45] <dhruvdhody> kinda
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[12:35:59] <dhruvdhody> cant hear
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[12:36:10] <Tom Hill> Yeah, what you heard Lou.
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[12:37:26] <Srihari Sangli> Ketan - BGP SR TE already does the config propagation
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[12:39:58] <dhruvdhody> :yes:
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[12:40:25] <dhruvdhody> See ya
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[12:40:27] <Italo Busi> thanks
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[12:40:29] <Ketan Talaulikar> Yes, we can argue if it is config or doing the same as PCEP
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[12:41:17] <Ketan Talaulikar> i.e. what is config and what is signaling ;-)
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