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[09:02:37] <Ingemar Johansson> Is there any audio yet ?
[09:03:00] <Markus Amend> don't think so
[09:03:01] <Michael Tüxen> I hear someone typing
[09:03:03] <Jonathan Morton> only David Black's mouse clicks, I think
[09:03:06] <Ingemar Johansson> OK
[09:03:12] <Richard Scheffenegger> no one is talking, but clicking :)
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[09:03:57] <Richard Scheffenegger> yes
[09:04:03] <Ingemar Johansson> Audio good
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[09:04:43] <Jonathan Morton> I hope not too many people were confused by the agenda timezone
[09:04:56] <Pete Resnick> Gorry is in regular Jabber.
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[09:06:00] <Pete Resnick> Will do.
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[09:07:29] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Meetecho chat == Jabber
[09:07:49] <Meetecho> If that's a question, then yes :)
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[09:08:20] <Pete Resnick> If you do need a message relayed to the mic, starting your message with "mic:" would be helpful.
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[09:08:27] <Mirja Kühlewind> seems Gorry is only on jabber but not in meetecho
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[09:11:18] <Gorry Fairhurst> My network is now working... Good Morning.
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[09:18:58] <Spencer Dawkins> There's no penalty for completing a milestone early, is there?
[09:19:44] <Jonathan Morton> agree with David Black on that point
[09:19:59] <Mirja Kühlewind> It does make sense to send them together to IESG, so they can review all docs together
[09:20:16] <Jonathan Morton> it's been clear for a while that L4S being considered "safe" is a prerequisite
[09:23:01] <Gorry Fairhurst> The chairs and AD will meet after this week and decide when to start the WGLC.
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[09:24:23] <Bob Briscoe> @Spencer, given there are 3-4 drafts under this milestone, I guess the chairs and IESG will want to manage their own workload - which is part of the point of having milestones?
[09:25:17] <Pete Resnick> In my experience, more for the chairs than the IESG.
[09:26:03] <Gorry Fairhurst> Section 3 is a set of single slides for new non-working group drafts.
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[09:29:15] <Ingemar Johansson> Looks similar to Bryan Ford's work a few (10?) years back, or ?
[09:29:45] <Pete Resnick> You must turn on your mic.
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[09:34:38] <Meetecho> Investigating the outage...
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[09:38:27] <gorryf> Gorry: Sounds like we are close to WGLC for SCTP.bis, which is what I hoped.
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[09:38:52] <gorryf> Gorry: The tracker isn’t letting me into meetecho...
[09:39:09] <Meetecho> gorryf: yes, sorry, there's an issue with the auth-service. working on this as a type
[09:39:25] <gorryf> Gorry: I wanted to present DPLPMTUD for UDP-O
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[09:41:20] <gorryf> Gorry->Chairs: My computer rebooted and I lost auth to join: There are tech issues. I can hear and use regular jabber only.
[09:42:10] <bob.briscoe> Greg is having trouble joining
[09:42:40] <Mirja Kuehlewind> gorry the chat relay is also not working but the ones who are still in the meeting told the chairs now
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[09:43:19] <Pete Resnick> Kireeti will try to present for the time being.
[09:43:36] <gorryf> To Mirja : Thanks, this is weird.
[09:44:21] <Pete Resnick> @Meetecho: Typing into the jabber tool within meetecho is also not working.
[09:44:50] <Mirja Kuehlewind> gorry I guess the meetecho chat relay is probably also not able to join the session…
[09:44:57] <Meetecho> Pete Resnick: we're aware of the issue, it's in all rooms, we're working on a fix
[09:45:03] <Meetecho> As it's affecting the ability to join as well
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[09:45:18] <gorryf> Gorry: The fragmentation work may be relevant to several working groups - it could touch transports such as GRE, and it might be work in another group - anyway please read and make comments!
[09:46:41] <gorryf> Gorry: Thanks for relaying to the “other” meeting.
[09:46:49] <Pete Resnick> ;)
[09:46:50] <bob.briscoe> I think the use of the word 'Transport' in the title of this draft is not "e2e L4 transport", but more "underlying bearer"
[09:47:50] <gorryf> Gorry: yes, talked to authors about that - but there is a possible touch to some transports, so there be IETF Transport Layer things, but definitely looks like it touches sub-IP transport
[09:48:46] <gorryf> Gorry: I would like to extend to break next session.
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[09:55:44] <gorryf> Gorry->meeting: Isn’t the “EXP” status partly a need to get operational guidance and best practice for operators?
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[09:59:24] <Magnus Westerlund too> "It is a hair to be split here, " and then the session ended.
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[09:59:52] <Ole Trøan_> Meetecho restarting. Log in again...
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[10:00:17] <Meetecho> It should be working again now, truly sorry for the issue...
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[10:00:21] <Tobia Castaldi> test
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[10:01:11] <spencerdawkins> Who's gonna tell the chairs what we decided while they were disconnected?
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[10:01:27] <Pete Resnick_346> heh
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[10:03:55] <gorryf> :-)
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[10:06:11] <Gorry Fairhurst> RESTART on the Agenda ....
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[10:22:33] <Gorry Fairhurst> NQB WG Draft
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[10:28:01] <Jonathan Morton> I think there are still concerns about the chosen DSCP (101xxx) interacting with wifi default mappings (to VI queue)
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[10:28:43] <David Black> Item #6 on Greg's slide includes that.
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[10:31:25] <Sebastian Moeller> Does it? The concern is that for safety with existin netwoks, NQB needs to be opt-in, not opt-out, but a DSCP that maps to AC_VI or AC_VO by default essentially opts-in most existing wifi networks, and none of them have any of the nice mechanism the draft specifies to keep NQB safe.
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[10:32:13] <Jonathan Morton> ah, this slide is marked "Remaining Work", so not yet done
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[10:35:20] <Gorry Fairhurst> Let's understand the consequences here, and try to make the correct decision about a DSCP.
[10:35:35] <Gorry Fairhurst> - David just said that after I typed! (well done David(
[10:36:33] <Sebastian Moeller> So in wifi the AP can instruct all clients to map any arbitrary DSCP to any AC, so opt-in is still possible.
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[10:38:08] <Martin Duke> As I said at 108, a draft that actually described the topography of what DSCPs are good and "safe" to use and which aren't, would be quite valuable to the community.
[10:38:17] <Sebastian Moeller> I have a comment on this point.
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[10:38:50] <Peter Heist> +1 Martin
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[10:40:13] <Martin Duke> I know MeetEcho cost us a lot of time, but there was some padding and we are well over time on this topic
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[10:40:29] <Martin Duke> but still have time for DCCP
[10:40:43] <David Black> Will try to get to DCCP shortly.
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[10:41:27] <Gorry Fairhurst> We can hear
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[10:44:20] <Ana Custura> Martin Duke I'd like to start this draft, with some guidance from Gorry
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[10:52:05] <Gorry Fairhurst> Thanks Ana, this will need many people to contribute, so starting something would indeed be good!
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[11:03:52] <Anna Brunstrom> the framework supports splitting packets from the same flow over more than one path, that is the ATSSS splitting case
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[11:08:08] <Ruediger Geib> Thanks, bye...
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[11:08:34] <Andrew McGregor> Sorry David, my audio became unintelligable near the end
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[11:08:55] <Andrew McGregor> So I didn't get any sense out of the discussion on the last set of drafts
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