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[20:25:47] Yoav Nir has set the subject to: UTA Meeting - IETF 92 - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/uta/agenda?item=agenda-92-uta.html
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[20:32:48] <Yoav Nir> Is anyone in the room the designated Jabber scribe?  If not, I volunteer...
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[20:34:25] <smemery> Can everyone hear Chris?
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[20:34:49] <Yoav Nir> Guess not. So if anyone wants something channeled to the room, prefix with "mic:"
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[20:38:53] <Franck Martin> I don't like to do non authenticated SMTP on 587
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[20:39:52] <Franck Martin> fi you block port 25 to end user so they use 587, and then suddenly you allow any SMTP on 587… this increase spam?
[20:40:49] <Yoav Nir> Franck: any of this for the mic?
[20:41:52] <седая борода> Franck, I don't think anyone's talking about using 587 with no authentication at all.
[20:42:20] <седая борода> The submit protocol says that you need to authenticate.
[20:43:45] <Tony Hansen> 587 is an smtp profile. One of the things it mandates is that authentication must be used.
[20:44:30] <седая борода> From RFC 6409:
[20:44:32] <седая борода>    Authentication and authorization of initial submissions have become
   increasingly important, driven by changes in security requirements
   and rising expectations that submission servers take responsibility
   for the message traffic they originate.
   For example, due to the prevalence of machines that have worms,
   viruses, or other malicious software that generate large amounts of
   spam, many sites now prohibit outbound traffic on the standard SMTP
   port (port 2
[20:44:47] <седая борода> 5), funneling all mail submissions through submission
   servers.
[20:46:57] <Franck Martin> ok so the deployment data is just to figure out if submission today is more over 587 than 465
[20:49:19] <седая борода> RIght: what's the relative use of the two ports for submission.
[20:49:42] <jcooter> well, IANA reassigned 465 away from email
[20:49:54] <jcooter> I think that says something
[20:50:02] <седая борода> Да.
[20:50:32] <jcooter> Also, a good resource to know who supports what is Mozilla's Thunderbird DB that tries to auto-config based on submitted data from users and providres
[20:52:39] <jcooter> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/isp-database
[20:56:04] <Yoav Nir> One thing that SSL VPNs do is to translate between insecure and secure versions of protocols. So that you can have a server that uses the cleartext version within the company, but the SSL VPN server will emulate a secure version of the same service, so that you use the secure version when you're away, and the insecure version when you're at work. Latching means you can't connect when you're at work.
[21:01:46] <Yoav Nir> "improve document organization/clarity" is kind of like "eat vegetables", "drink plenty of water", "use a constant-time comparison function".  It's one of those statements you can't argue against.
[21:02:25] <седая борода> NO!  I WANT the document to have crappy organisation!
[21:03:26] <Yoav Nir> :-)
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