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Friday, November 8, 2013< ^ >
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[14:21:53] <Tobias> fippo, do you happen to have a posh-enabled domain (including hosted JWK file)?
[14:23:14] <fippo> tobias: https://go.estos.de/.well-known/posh._xmpp-server._tcp.json
[14:24:24] <Tobias> thanks..will give that a try
[14:24:25] <Tobias> :)
[14:25:08] <fippo> i'm not sure whether it will allow any domain to connect...
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[16:02:41] <MattJ> The meeting is today, right?
[16:03:34] <MattJ> Found it
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[16:43:09] <waqas> Hello
[16:44:14] <Tobias> hi
[16:44:50] <darkrain> Hello
[16:45:46] <MattJ> Hello
[16:46:32] <Ben’s iPad> Hi, we will start in about 15 min
[16:46:54] <fippo> mh... no meetecho session?
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[16:48:09] <MattJ> I'm guessing the webex URL is old too?
[16:48:19] <darkrain> "March 15, 2013"
[16:48:38] <Ben’s iPad> No, the room is  not setup for meetecho or webex this morning
[16:48:39] <darkrain> And thanks...I was sitting here wondering why I was getting DNS resolution errors on the stream URL (and why it didn't match the one you gave me elsewhere)
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[16:52:46] <darkrain> The audio stream's not live yet, right?  (or should I be investigating the errors VLC is throwing?)
[16:53:05] <Ben’s iPad> It should start on the hour
[16:53:21] <MattJ> So you have no time to fix the errors if they're still there in 8 minutes :)
[16:53:32] <Ben’s iPad> Exactly
[16:53:36] <MattJ> But it should work, I use mplayer -playlist
[16:54:28] <darkrain> And are you seeing 404 errors with mplayer?
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[16:55:00] <Ben’s iPad> Do you have the current stream?
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[16:55:52] <MattJ> darkrain, yes
[16:56:09] <darkrain> Okay, then I'll stop worrying for the moment.
[16:56:13] <MattJ> Ben’s iPad, yes - I was listening to this very stream yesterday just fine
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[17:00:15] <stpeter> how is the sound?
[17:00:19] <stpeter> anything?
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[17:00:40] <fippo> now it works for me
[17:01:36] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/xmpp/minutes
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[17:02:18] <stpeter> minutes can be taken in the etherpad
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[17:02:58] <Rick Taylor> I am you Jabber scribe - any question, shout!
[17:04:45] <stpeter> Rick Taylor: thanks for relaying
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[17:05:07] <stpeter> see-other-uri
[17:05:17] <stpeter> Lance Stout presenting
[17:06:32] <Rick Taylor> Matt Miller speaking
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[17:21:57] <stpeter> alexey.melnikov: I'll let you know when the POSH discussion starts
[17:22:35] <alexey.melnikov> stpeter: Ta :-). I am also interested in XMPP-over-Websockets. Anything exciting happening in regards to that?
[17:22:50] <Joe Hildebrand> alexey: yes, now.
[17:23:22] <stpeter> alexey.melnikov: interesting discussion about security contexts and such, now talking about framing for stream open and stream close
[17:24:07] <MattJ> No issue
[17:24:25] <waqas> No. Multiple stanzas are possible without much trouble, but I'm fine with one per frame.
[17:24:57] <MattJ> WS frames are quite light I think
[17:25:20] <waqas> Multiple frames is less efficient from a parsing perspective on the JS side, but that shouldn't matter too much
[17:25:27] <stpeter> waqas and others: if you would like your comments channeled to the room, please prepend your comment with "MIC:"
[17:25:43] <MattJ> I would if I had anything particularly enlightening to say :)
[17:25:50] <waqas> No
[17:25:56] <Ben’s iPad> If you would like any of that to go to mic, please let the scribe know
[17:26:15] <stpeter> MattJ: noted :-)
[17:26:18] <Ben’s iPad> Oops, peter types faster than me
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[17:26:22] <MattJ> Heh
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[17:27:12] <MattJ> MIC: Websockets doesn't define compression at the transport level as far as I know
[17:28:21] <waqas> MIC: Every frame being a *full* XML document means XML declaration at the start (that's a SHOULD in XML 1.0), unless we explicitly forbid it. Would that be allowed?
[17:29:36] <stpeter> Yusuke Doi at the mic
[17:32:15] <stpeter> BTW, there is a WebSocket extension for compression, see http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hybi-permessage-compression/
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[17:34:36] <waqas> MIC: Server side implementations can for now just strip out websocket framing and treat the stream as a normal C2S stream (which is what many currently do). They would require a separate parsing code path with XML declarations, etc.
[17:35:38] <Joe Hildebrand> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion_laughs
[17:36:35] <MattJ> +1
[17:36:40] <waqas> MIC: I'll note that the websocket handshake already does this for the stream start
[17:37:48] <stpeter> waqas: this = ?
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[17:43:05] <waqas> stpeter: Ignore, the context has changed. The websocket handshake is designed to get around protocol injection attacks at the start.
[17:43:15] <stpeter> waqas: ah, ok
[17:44:27] <stpeter> Yusuke mentions http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0322.html
[17:45:38] <ydoi> Something like this:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<iq xmlns="jabber:client" type="set" to="sensors@conference.example.org" id="ab26a" >
<query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#owner">
<x xmlns="jabber:x:data" type="submit" />
</query>
</iq>
[17:52:54] <stpeter> Martin mentions http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-security/ and http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-arch/
[17:55:33] <Joe Hildebrand> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html
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[17:56:37] <stpeter> Matt actually referenced http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html — which still needs to be approved for publication by the XMPP Council
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[17:59:05] <ydoi> // off-topic: xep-0156-1.1.html uses utf-9! :-) in Example 2
[18:00:35] <bear> .wellknown is huge for those who do not want (or desire) to run their own DNS
[18:01:22] <bear> MIC - I view .wellknown as similiar to SRV for discovery
[18:01:27] <MattJ> bear, I think it's more about accessibility to web clients
[18:01:49] <MattJ> Otherwise we'd be proposing replacing SRV lookup with .well-known for normal desktop clients
[18:01:57] <MattJ> (are we?!)
[18:02:01] <bear> I am not
[18:02:04] <MattJ> Good :)
[18:02:05] <m&m> here is the version with .well-known : < http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0156-1.1.html >
[18:02:24] <bear> but for inidividuals having a .wellknown is a lower barrier to entry for them to enable their own discovery
[18:02:32] <m&m> bear: +1
[18:03:04] <MattJ> If JS had access to SRV records, I'd rather not specify .well-known
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[18:03:50] <bear> \o/ for Lance and his presentation :)
[18:03:52] <Rick Taylor> Peter Saint-Andre speaking - Next topic
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[18:28:35] <fippo> joe hildebrand: that node project is really useful, thanks!
[18:28:41] <Joe Hildebrand> :)
[18:29:23] <Joe Hildebrand> my thought is that if your protocol is easy enough to implement that *i* can do it, you're on the right track.
[18:29:36] <stpeter> :)
[18:30:33] <bear> has the audio been low for anyone else?
[18:31:27] <darkrain> Yes, I'm going to hurt my ears when I go back to other audio sources (because I have the volume turned up quite a bit)
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[18:41:58] <fippo> oral tradition of ignoring rfc 3920 :-)
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[18:43:37] <stpeter> fippo: exactly :-)
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[18:43:54] <stpeter> </stream:stream> ;-)
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[18:47:20] <stpeter> thanks to folks for joining remotely
[18:47:40] <stpeter> we're done!
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[20:58:42] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/xmpp/minutes updated with some post-meeting notes for list discussion….
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[21:07:51] <stpeter> actually I removed those notes, they're not germane to the XMPP WG
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