[dbound] DBOUND and paths forward
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 00:54 UTC
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Subject: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward
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Colleagues, At IETF 95, the DBOUND co-chairs met informally with the authors of the documents we've had under consideration for some time. Predictably, the topic was about if, or how, we move forward from here. Rest assured that no decisions were made, as those must be made by the working group in an approved way (e.g., this list). However, we do have some results to share with the group, and gauge where consensus is on our next steps. We believe we are entrenched in a battle to solve two problems simultaneously. Our charter compels us to try our best to do this, and we've put admirable amounts of thought into it. Ultimately, however, if such a grand unified solution does exist that the community will adopt, its time has apparently not yet come. This leaves us with a couple of choices. We can produce independent solutions for our various use cases -- the two primary ones being the one driven by the email community that wants a way to do policy lookups without the perceived problems of the maintenance of the Public Suffix List, and the web security one having to do with which cookies apply to which sites. We can choose to work on only a subset of these. Or we can admit defeat and dissolve the working group, having sadly accomplished nothing. The small pseudo design team observed that it appears as though there is actually only one community likely to implement our solutions in the short term, and that is the email community. We perceive it to be unlikely that a solution produced by this working group for the web security issue would be adopted in short order by any of the browser producers. They simply have not expressed a desire to contribute and adopt, or even concur that there's a serious problem that needs to be solved. In contrast, the email community (in particular the DMARC folks) will apparently be thrilled to adapt their specifications and implementations to the output of this working group, even experimentally, out of their concerns regarding the upkeep of the PSL and its impact on their ability to provide timely, safe service. With that in mind, your co-chairs propose that we abandon any grand unified theory of domain boundary evaluation and focus only on this email use case. If there is a change of heart from other communities, or some unifying idea does appear, we can re-evaluate our options at that time. However, in the interests of being productive toward our original goals, we propose to assume that is not the case and will not be in the near future. So, what say you all? -Pete & Murray, your DBOUND co-chairs
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Gervase Markham
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Hodges, Jeff
- [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward John Levine
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Kurt Andersen
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Jiankang Yao
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Casey Deccio
- Re: [dbound] DBOUND and paths forward Murray S. Kucherawy