[ietf-privacy] Logging Recommendations for Internet-Facing Servers

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 06 June 2014 07:15 UTC

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Subject: [ietf-privacy] Logging Recommendations for Internet-Facing Servers
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Hello,

BCP 162 contains logging recommendations for internet-facing 
servers.  Quoting the document:

   "Discussions about data-retention policies are out of scope for this
    document.  Server security and transport security are important for
    the protection of logs for Internet-facing systems.  The operator of
    the Internet-facing server must consider the risks, including the
    data and services on the server, to determine the appropriate
    measures.  The protection of logs is critical in incident
    investigations.  If logs are tampered with, evidence could be
    destroyed."

In other words, the BCP makes a recommendation without any discussion 
about privacy considerations.  The issue is traceability.  It has 
been the practice to log IP addresses.  Keeping the logs for years is 
not a good idea as it is difficult to argue that the information is necessary.

I suggest that the BCP be reconsidered given the lack of privacy 
considerations.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy