Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.txt> (IETF: End Work on IPv4) to Proposed Standard
Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Mon, 02 October 2017 08:23 UTC
Return-Path: <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38CC135044 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.801
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RVYv0SCiUki5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33E18135043 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id u138so8889453wmu.5 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=ftVpLnIxw/2UWr7mVvuEwI0Ou9Jq4mbEp/JfZ6iS8R8=; b=h7OGFiQBpXRqpFZxUquPU56Pu2ve62C9UZnG+9m29UPpNSR7Pem42U7fK8o4soSDwK z65RZNA8Fdzw6rGxzI0r0sVXKKqctEkHMMUKWykdpRa9wycmPT9lvy5CW2zlZUtA6db3 SPb1yE9XiT+0Zc0i5ANy0nMZYepcpvB4t8S8J/ixzp0I6oXUBXQiGtPiwJ6SYnkKUw4Y FjAi6+SDI5DPex33ysPxJ9H5cLlyKN07t7G+81Kszpi3sZq9DOUJoWyykFK2gEu8PgaL qeiUUq2rQRTZZm0k+5k4FyngVRsk7xbeMcmFsAshFM0MCglatVNfPZ0cjbAX5D3ubYyu WFzw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=ftVpLnIxw/2UWr7mVvuEwI0Ou9Jq4mbEp/JfZ6iS8R8=; b=RzVSg7O8qjBtd2JD51BxInN53meJm3xJP9EIUPPycTAkDFl1RnduF06Kp4Abfu8Y3a hEUxKnmtzkVPE9o85K0BB7AFKpKtz9dzCzoeX5fbYKCofq4VhZKPov9nrQ81ws6HwR1M WKB7QxwCatUL/X/k15qrCAOV4CkZFtAt0xpDo/ysUEvFj58pXRpWZysN3IVBnyxoaBit MqdAoHV3vgJ5v9yxLof1me46Ynqh+XVPLtNDww2mVcxpLtG9NZ/7NbLJnJe0NEt+TQ3/ k+c0UV6ETNOwFHRHQc0nVbQZdp6ABewl9UdNNTZDb9YA/zoiB8PY1wX52gxQFRhplYmy YTnA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhXmvpcMJdDMjupunbBZhonjW9O2vkb2dSMaPKKq/W55e/2ldJv tbH1YVOaCc+R3FydtHGzQF2rgE60
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBs+9rt6udRbF6ITIBRr/tESQIY1AqYSgR2z5UR33yotzIzzDJpxVf/B4SpM5PvQRHEkIfe7Q==
X-Received: by 10.80.228.5 with SMTP id d5mr19252395edm.16.1506932619390; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.2.126] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. [213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e56sm10042298edb.7.2017.10.02.01.23.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.txt> (IETF: End Work on IPv4) to Proposed Standard
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Denis Ovsienko <denis@ovsienko.info>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
References: <150660518277.13796.5801483741214576151.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <15ecdbe2816.f5ac2a2c78696.145459607793828122@ovsienko.info> <CAKKJt-eFGEuFkX25oM0r45cemdWL9M2hWE2qJhPmqFSs1XT0LQ@mail.gmail.com> <68d72410-461c-7496-7c33-c5c786fd35a9@cs.tcd.ie>
From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a053644-76ca-4f5b-1fce-38f3d1ec0a4c@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 09:23:37 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <68d72410-461c-7496-7c33-c5c786fd35a9@cs.tcd.ie>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Language: en-GB
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/zPe-u_t8jGP9pC7ZQEp0lYcIQfI>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 08:23:42 -0000
On 02/10/2017 08:54, Stephen Farrell wrote: > I do however > agree that we ought stop adding features to IPv4 that don't work for > IPv6, Something that has been nagging me for a while is that the underpin of this statement, is the assumption that IPv4 and IPv6 are equivalent and work the same way. However, they do not work the same way. For example, IPv4 uses ARP and permits in-network fragmentation. So statements such as the above would mean that legitimate maintenance might be precluded. Rather than tie millstones to IPv4, wouldn't it be better to demonstrate the compelling advantage of IPv6? - Stewart
- RE: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Jacques Latour
- Re: [sunset4] s'wonderful or not, Last Call: <dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Paul Hoffman
- Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Stewart Bryant
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Randy Bush
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [sunset4] s'wonderful or not, Last Call: <dra… John Levine
- Re: [sunset4] s'wonderful or not, Last Call: <dra… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Ted Lemon
- Re: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-… Denis Ovsienko
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Lee Howard
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Lee Howard
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Stewart Bryant
- RE: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Paul Hoffman
- RE: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Eliot Lear
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… David Farmer
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Denis Ovsienko
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Ted Lemon
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Toerless Eckert
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Joe Touch
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… lloyd.wood
- Re: [sunset4] s'wonderful or not, Last Call: <dra… Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.t… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Feature equivalence [was: ..sunset4-ipv6..] Stuart Cheshire