Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-06.txt> (Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications) to Proposed Standard

Paul Kyzivat <paul.kyzivat@comcast.net> Mon, 13 February 2017 23:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-06.txt> (Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications) to Proposed Standard
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On 2/13/17 12:53 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:

> Gunnar, who participated extensively in the SLIM WG, appears to be
> attempting to re-introduce a mechanism to indicate preference of
> modality which was considered and rejected multiple times by the WG.
>
> WG rejection of Gunnar's previous proposals to do this was based on
> reluctance to try to solve this particular problem in the first version
> of the spec, not on any of the specific mechanisms proposed to solve the
> problem. Proposing a new or modified mechanism during IETF LC appears to
> be an attempt to rehash an argument made, but not won, in the WG.
>
> If this concerns a different issue, not merely a different way of
> approaching it, please accept my apology and explain more clearly how it
> is different.

Gunnar's comment makes multiple points. You have highlighted one of them 
and ignored the others.

Even if you reject that one, consider the others. Notably:

- The text needs to be improved simply to properly explain and define 
the syntax related to the "*" as you intend to use it.

- the use of the "*" to indicate what it does is confusing. It is using 
a media level attribute "parameter" to signify a session level property. 
This has been brought up before, but simply rejected without (IMO) 
adequate justification. There seems to be some love for this particular 
syntax. ISTM that in part Gunnar is trying to adapt this syntax so that 
it both makes sense as a media-level attribute and simultaneously can 
satisfy the session level need that has been identified.

I accept the WG's decision not to address the "preference" issue. But 
this attachment to the "ugly child", if not addressed, invites getting 
IESG LC comments.

	Thanks,
	Paul

[Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-hu… The IESG
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Gunnar Hellström
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Doug Ewell
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Randall Gellens
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Paul Kyzivat
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Doug Ewell
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Randall Gellens
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Gunnar Hellström
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Paul Kyzivat
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Randall Gellens
[Slim] Fwd: [IANA #948015] Last Call: <draft-ietf… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Slim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-slim-negotiatin… Gunnar Hellström